Working on a manifesto.

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  1. Baya Rae 4900

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    A while back @Dr. Rice wanted me to write a manifesto or a thesis. I don't want to because my opinions are always changing. Or evolving, rather. But I'm finally compelled to lay down a few maxims and possible solutions for future situations with the whole Invisible Children fiasco. Not Invisible Children per se but what they represent, which is abundant all over the world. These aren't concrete but the more I think about them and research them, the more they make sense. Also, I make sure not to advocate something without historical precedent. Theories are for fools. For convenience, a tyrant is a person who forces their will on others by using force.

    The first and arguably most important maxim is gun freedom. Gun control is the greatest of tyrannies because it allows all other tyrannies to take place. All who advocate gun control are either tyrants, shamelessly shill for tyrants or are the unwitting dupes of tyrants. There's a fourth category which I'd call shitheads or mini-tyrants. Basically, those are the people who are tyrants but lack any sort of organised power. They usually end up knowingly propagating for tyrants because they hate everything or they end do something like shoot/blow up a place. The former is actually more dangerous than the latter. Anyway, tyrants can't efficiently tyrannise an armed population for obvious reasons. In order to keep tyrants in check their must be total gun freedom. That means no ban (or acceptance of bans) on any guns or explosives. It's better to deal with the odd mini-tyrant who blows up a clubhouse and kills a dozen people (who would no doubt be hunted down mercilessly) than being powerless in the face of tyranny, regardless of what said tyranny calls itself. If you look at the numbers, an organized tyrant always ends up killing at least a thousand times more than the mini-tyrants he's supposedly keeping in check. Needless to say, never trust somebody who offers to protect you in exchange for giving them power over you.

    The second maxim is to respect the rule of supply and demand. It doesn't matter what bullshit ideology or philosophy you advocate, if you end up ignoring or attacking supply and demand then people will die and many more will suffer. That's why there are so many third world nations. That's why millions died under feudalism and why tens of millions died under socialism. You ignore this at your own peril. Assuming you yourself aren't a mini-tyrant. In which case shut the fuck up. This isn't just governments who cause problems. Charities and genuine humanitarians do it, too. Even when they think they're trying to do good. They end up flooding a place will free/cheap food and put all the locals who produce/sell food out of business. This, obviously, solves poverty in the short term but creates more poverty in the long term. An obvious solution for this would be to buy from locals and give to locals, so as not to fuck up the local economy. Better yet, lease (for free or for dirt cheap) land/animals to those who're starving so they can sustain themselves and raise the standard of living for the area. Otherwise you're just prolonging their suffering.

    Third maxim is to oppose war. Any organisation (especially if it styles itself as an advocate for protecting human rights) that advocates military intervention (invasion/occupation or supplying tyrants and mini-tyrants) is no better than a terrorist organisation. In fact, since their advocating involves a lot more deaths and destruction than that which terrorists creates, they're much worse. These people tend to advocate gun control and ignore supply and demand. There is no immaterial thing I hate more than hypocrisy and these people are the embodiment of it. They think people should be protected but also advocate that which causes them to become harmed. Usually they advocate the US, EU, UN, NATO or some combination to intervene. Every single time this happens the occupational forces pick sides in conflicts (they have to otherwise they can maintain control) and it always ends with horrible things happening. Usually outright genocide. Paradoxically, those who advocate against genocide are its strongest enablers. In wars all tyrants and would-be tyrants need to be opposed. All who wish to defend themselves, their property and their community need to be helped.

    Now, maxims aren't worth shit. All they are are words on paper and tyrants wipe their asses with these words each and every day. For practicality, a transnational organisation needs to be created. Said organisation would combine the best of any and all non-governmental organisation. (Government is the embodiment of tyranny because it can only exist by tyrannising. It cannot sustain itself otherwise.) If people are suffering under a tyrant or might suffer under a tyrant then the organisation would sell weapons to said people for next to nothing or give them weapons for free. It would train them in their use and would teach them how to organise themselves in order to make the best use of said weapons. It wouldn't, under any circumstance, intervene militarily themselves. Under strenuous circumstances it would send unarmed and experienced officers to help the people tactically. When people are starving or otherwise mired in poverty it would lease them the means which they could and teach them in their use. Regardless what idiots say, wars aren't profitable for anyone. All they do is waste resources that would otherwise go to improving people's lives and lowering the cost of living. Even those that make a buck will eventually be killed off via inflation caused by the lack of resources. So said organisation needs to help people make productive farms, then productive factories. Not only will this enrich those mired in poverty but it will allow the organisation to eventually turn a profit through trade which will in turn allow them to project themselves in other places thus helping more.

    Said organisation wouldn't discriminate and would, for all practical purposes, be atheist. It would, however, ally itself with others who would and can help others, including religions. Hypocritical or proxy NGOs (non-governmental organisations) should be revealed by said organisation as the frauds they are. While initially said organisation would rely on charitable donations (preferably by wealthy philanthropists) it should eventually be self-sustainable. Needless to say, I'm not all that concerned with writing about how the world should be "saved" because it's blatantly obvious.

    TLDR: If you didn't read this then don't post in this thread. If you don't understand this then ask me a question.
     
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    This is making entirely too much sense.

    I do not agree on the war thing. The kind of societal change you advocate often takes multiple generations to come about through peaceful means (typically just waiting for the more conservative faction to age and die). A well run war can do the same thing in five years or so.
     
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    By "do things" I assume you mean empower tyrants. Because, apart from all the needless waste of lives and resources, that's all it does. Wars between two large armies can't come about or be sustained without establishing tyranny.

    Also, foreign occupations (even capturing "foreign agents") would be used by tyrants to retro-actively justify their tyranny which would solidify their support among people who would otherwise oppose them.
     
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    Riiiiight here is where I fell asleep.
     
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    shut up you fucking Australian nigger. no body wants to listen to your crack pot theory's. fuck you dr rice for giving him the idea to do this. and wasting seconds of my life,
     
  6. Baya Rae 4900

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    Wow, you're even cheap with your time and attention.

    There's a special delivery for you.
     
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    Wars may or may not be profitable in the short term (i.e. what we're instinctively inclined to actually care about); but in the murky depths of a manipulated economy, rest assured that they will at least appear so. Just a clarification. Also fix your spelling errors. Next time you should write it out onto a word document and copy/paste it here.
     
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    I don't get it.
     
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    Nein! A rage induced rant with multiple unfixed spelling and grammatical errors is how I roll.

    I'm not surprised, considering English is your second language. What don't you get?
     
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    she doesnt get how retarded u are.
     
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    Oh, you're one of those. So, how do you enable tyranny?
     
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    ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL!
     
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    Well overall you are saying that donations aren't that good and socialism is a terrible system and something about wars... I'm so confused.
     
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    Oh, so you don't get ANYTHING. Fine, I'll TLDR some of it. One thing at a time, though.

    Tell me, there are ad hoc markets in Nicaragua, yeah? Where farmers go to sell what they've grown for cheaper than what is available at most supermarkets?
     
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    um...
     
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    I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you wish to remain ignorant.
     
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    By "do things" I mean change the established norms. Peaceful protest is the biggest crock of shit since Gandhi.
     
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    http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1108.html

    In any case, the purpose of the organisation isn't to change the established norms but to make them irrelevant.
     
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    First off;
    then;
    Maybe a minor error on the author's part.

    Secondly;
    Bukovsky was in an out of Soviet Prison from 1963 to 1976, when he was exchanged for a Soviet the West had imprisoned. Remember what I said about peaceful protest taking too long?

    Thirdly;
    what if the system you fight refuses to be embarrassed?

    Fourthy;
    what if the people have it too good to see any need for change?
    Read a biography of Che Guvverra to see how well that works out.
     
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    Paul's a libertarian. I'm clearly an anarchist. (Or, rather, the idealist within me is.) I'm not surprised you don't know the difference between the two as you seem uneducated.
     
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    Post that manifesto in a Ron Paul forum and watch the +rep roll in.
     
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    You clearly don't know the origins of libertarianism, that started out as a leftist anarcho-capitalist movement.
     
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    Also needless to say your entire manifesto could've gone into the election programme of Ron Paul.
     
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    Well one issue I see facing some of your maxims is the US's delusional concept of property rights. Ownership of land is inherently problematic because you can't make more of it. It's not the same as a car or a watch or even money, through land ownership via a deed you inevitably form an uncompetitive monopoly. Land ownership needs to be defined by use, there's a ton of alternative concepts to this but the one that seems to be the best way to go is the formation of a communal land trust. Primary ownership should be determined by use, not government enforced mandates. This could be attained by an investment system that takes "surplus value," yeah I know Marx, and applies it to paying off the original investors. So you're paying rent or working at a job, the investors etc own the initial value of their investment plus the appreciated value of the business or property in question but you have primary ownership because you're the one filling the job or living in the home. You cover the upkeep such as maintenance and taxes but anything in excess of this goes towards purchasing a percentage of the property in question by buying portion by portion the investors investment. So you work/live for 6 months at a job as an owner and during that time you buy up 4% of the job/home then move on to something else, you now are an investor with a 4% stake in the property in question. The key to this is preventing people from holding property indefinitely while literally having nothing do with it and forcing others to work it for you. That's just lazy and it is highly destructive to economic stability. This would prevent exploitation of our political/economic system to drain out more money than the economy in question can sustain. You want to make money, make sure you invest wisely and you will. Moreover workers should hire management, hire shitty managers the business goes under you lose out. What should be the end goal of both our government and our communities is ensuring that people own their own homes and jobs and therefore their own lives, otherwise it's just another form of slavery.

    As for gun rights? I think that individuals shouldn't have that kind of liberty because individuals can't have those kinds of liberties. Individual liberties are a modern experiment and clearly it has it's place but previously rights weren't assigned to individuals they were assigned to groups or families. I agree that the right to bear arms is necessary to deter government force, but if that is your am individuals are worthless in this arena, you need group as in a well trained militia. Local communities should regulate guns and weaponry, or get rid of them, as they see fit. Think of it from the other end, to have absolute freedom in this regard would mean a blatant disregard for the community that you as a human being depend on for survival. To impose your will on others in forcing them to accept guns into their midst when they, the people paying for and maintaining your roads, water, electricity, police force, buildings, hospitals etc is no less of a tyranny. If you want guns to protect yourselves then there should be avenues for a community forming an organized city defense, in other words we need a return to the city-state. If you dislike a city's stance then either find city with one you like or gather enough like-minded individuals to form your own.
     
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    No, it never does and never has. That's not war your referring to civil war. Society never works neatly and is inherently chaotic, war changes the landscape you're working on in an unpredictable manner and what you end up with is never what you planned; this is especially true when people wage war against themselves.
    If you managed to get people to rise up against the government in an organized fashion then why would you engage in violence? I am not against violence, believe me I'm all for it when it's necessary but it's just not in this case. The power structure of our elite is precarious and delicate and built up over two centuries of quirks. The whole system is based off of a paradox that requires genuine consent in order for it operate. There is no conspiracy because it wasn't planned, it just occurred. Should you manage to get opposition large and organized enough to violently overthrow our gov then there is nothing in that hypothetical situation that would prevent you from reorganizing our government peacefully.
     
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    Except a system that is so large and complex that it actively fights any attempts at the status quo.