Why do people hate the Green New Deal?

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    And more importantly, why are people defending the 1%? Seems to me everyone has forgotten (or forgiven?) the 2008 bailout.
     
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    Because it was created by that psychotic sjw known as Alex

    I dont really care what the deal is about but I wont support it if its being forced on us by that feminazi bitch
     
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    Because conservatives are dumb as a rock and the GOP are whores for the fossil fuel industry.

    Also the mentality behind the defense of the 1% is "I rather be a bootlicker now and maybe someday I'll be wearing that boot".
     
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    If you are talking about Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, she didn’t create it. She’s just endorsing it. And no offense, but you sound like someone who doesn’t know anything about politics.
     
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    Maybe you should actually try reading it before asking this question
     
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    I did.

    I know you are not American, but if you watch US News, every time it’s mentioned in the senate or on Capitol Hill, there are always politicians & pundits on both sides denouncing it for reasons that are either unclear, fearmonger-ish or unrelatable from the perspective of the average citizen.
     
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    True that.
     
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    Mainly because they are protecting the corporations that own them

    Other than that fact theres these to start off with:

    Ban cows because they pollute too much
    Zero fossil fuel usage within 10 years, without using nuclear power
     
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    As for the tax, im all for taxing rich people, the issue is that all rich people, including the people that push these policies in the first place, will then evade paying their taxes
     
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    Oh and they literally said that people that dont want to work will receive welfare payments

    Well what if everybody then decides they dont want to work
     
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    If you were American, would you support the GND?
     
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    No. I do not believe that the people that designed it have any understanding of the world outside of their university
     
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    I don’t think every aspect of the GND is ‘ideal’, personally. But I feel it’s a step in the proper direction. The 1% have gained their wealth via the labor of the working class. The 1% is dependent on the working class for their acculmulation of wealth. It’s illogical to allow them to take $700 billion dollars of taxpayer money to correct their bad business mistakes but let them refuse to contribute their share to society. I’m against giving free money to people who aren’t willing to work, but at the same time there’s very little avenues for people to get jobs without higher education, which is out of the price range of most lower-class citizens. If the upper-class want to evade taxes, fine. But when the ship inevitably starts to sink, we will all drown together. Unlike now, where only the middle &lower class suffer while the elites remain unscathed.
     
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    Also, not to mention that just because someone is incredibly wealthy doesn’t mean they are a hard worker (assuming they even work at all) or that they personally contribute to the good of society. Celebrities, socialites, trust fund babies & heirs of wealthy families fit this category.
     
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    Youve got that problem again where you are giving an opinion on something you havent read

    They are not saying welfare for people who can't get a job, they are saying welfare for people who dont want to get a job

    And taxing the rich does not work. You have to keep it in an area where they are happy with it. If you increase it too much they just stop paying taxes. Its happened before

    Then you have to pay more taxes
     
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    What if an individual , without a college degree or a car, lives in an area with no available jobs? How do you determine whether or not that person can’t get a job or simply “doesn’t want to get one?” I’m the last person who would sympathize with a lazy person or a person who deliberately chooses to remain unemployed & leech off the system. I voted for trump, after all.

    But I’m not so deluded to realize that for some people in the US, specifically in the mid-west, that getting a job is incredibly difficult just because there’s literally no jobs there.

    As for taxing the rich, I will admit that I don’t have a good idea on how to do it. But I will say that the US is rapidly going through a paradigm shift in which society is quickly becoming aware of the negative difference & parasitic relationship between the elite class and the working class. Younger politicians from the current generation & working class are taking over and elites won’t be able to just hoard all their wealth while benefiting off the labor of the populace for much longer.
     
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    Why are you even talking about that?
     
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    No they arent. AOC won her primary with 15,000 votes, only 2000 more than the incumbent, who hadnt had someone run against him in 14 years, in a district of 700,000

    These new radical democrats are strategically targetting 90% blue areas where as long as they are the Dem candidate, they win
     
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    How do you determine if someone doesn’t want to get a job?

    Would you mind finding me a citable source that literally states an able-bodied person can get free welfare money for announcing that “ they don’t want to work?” I haven’t heard anything like that.

    So maybe you can prove it?
     
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    Why do people even take GND seriously? The creators and endorsers themselves don't know what it is. It's so vague and general. Everyone's using it just as a PR tool and nothing more.
     
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    Yeah and if Trump can’t fulfill his promises, which he hasn’t, his only supporters will be the 4chan edgelords.
     
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    It literally stated "unwilling to work"
     
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    Source?
     
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    Under the GND it wont matter if they cant or dont want to get a job, they will get welfare payments anyway, so i dont see why youre discussing it

    That is absolutely irrelevant to what i just said
     
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    Btw this comment is further proof you have no idea what you are talking about, this has been the probably the main point of the entire thing that people are opposing
     
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    The reason I haven’t seen that quote is because it literally wasn’t in the GND, genius. That was just a little addendum included by AOC to make it more palatable for her socialist base.
     
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