The market isn't purely economical.

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  1. Baya Rae 4900

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    For instance, in guerilla warfare (where militaries compete against each other for the "hearts and minds" of the general population) is the militarised expression of the market. In democracy, where politicians have to compete against each other for the votes of the electorate is a political expression of the market. So on and so on. It goes deeper than that, though. In both war and politics a side has to become more efficient to compete. (As they do in the market.) They also advance much faster. In guerilla warfare we've seen how high adaptive guerilla militaries can be. We've also seen how adaptive democratic politicians are compared to non-democratic politicians.

    That's what I meant when I wrote that the market is the economic expression of society. Because, in the end, that's what this is. The various expressions of society. What is society? All of us. As in all who belong to a particular place, separated by borders established by governments and would-be governments. Those who advocate for stronger governments seek to change society. They might not say this but that's always their goal. A highly vibrant and decentralised society can easily become a cold, indifferent and inefficient society with a few decades of government intervention. That's why all former socialist nations have such social problems. Problems which you wouldn't find in those who've yet to experience socialism like the US, the EU or the Commonwealth. (Socialism is just an example. Don't get angry.)

    The opposite is also true. The lack of government intervention changes society. Makes people think for themselves. Makes people carve out a life for themselves. Makes them self-efficient and confident. The truth speaks to a man's soul more powerfully than all the lies in the world combined. Each man struggles with it when confronted by it. That, THAT, is why I would never allow Humans to live in anything but a totalitarian nation. Because if you had a key that unlocks all the doors in the world, why in the flying fuck would you share it with your enemies and rivals? I know the truth. I shall do my best to suppress it in others. Save my own tribe, of course. Perhaps not even my own tribe. Just my family. Knowledge is power. Not petty knowledge but knowledge of how the world works. There's no reason why Humans should be allowed access to such information. They ought to be exploited via cheap and vague promises of a better future for themselves and others.

    That's why I'm not an anarchist or libertarian or whatever. Because I see the genius in socialism and other forms of government. Because my tribe and my family comes first.
     
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    And you give them that said confidence instilled in a sole figurehead with addictions that dissuade them from the reality of it all. Whether it's consumerism, alcohol, sex, or just the old "Keeping up with the Jones," thing, a deaden mind can't think.
     
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    Not everybody's cut out for the truth. People with big egos, for instance, are definitely not cut out for it. They tend to get horribly depressed and try to (directly or indirectly) destroy themselves when encountered with the truth. In the end they have to shut it out. They have to start lying to themselves again. But they can't go back. It can't be unseen.
     
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    I don't know, I've handled it quite well. I know authority cannot be simply handed out to the people to provide a sense of fairness in legislation. Hell, it tends to fuck everything up because of the incompetence of the hivemind of lower-cognitive individuals whom outnumber the rest.

    And it's good to see your words of enlightenment again, The Member Formerly Known As Baya.
     
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    Do you understand what totalitarianism means? That in Mussolini's definition of totalitarian, that all members of society would be active participants in the State? It has nothing to do with oppression. For example, the United States founding fathers were "totalitarian" in an extreme, they were libertine totalitarians as opposed to statist totalitarians. While this has some weaknesses in itself (as libertine totalitarianism is good morale policy, but not governing policy), it also has numerous merits.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarian
     
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    Mussolini worked very hard to keep Fascist propaganda out of the arts, even the state funded projects.


    Do you know that adding the word "libertine" totalitarian changes the meaning of totalitarian because one can enforce freedoms on a society. The choice to force freedom is radical and deeply penetrating into individual's private lives, forcing upon them characteristics of with free speech (like our website) or the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia

     
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    Any great society is totalitarian, the question is how is this totalitarianism manifests and that is the leverage that citizens can change.
     
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    Right. Well, it's good you believe that and are American.