The Doctrine of Fascism by Andrea

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    Oh yes, because the power of the markets, (the desire for) laissez faire economics, and free trade have done so much good for the world!
     
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    The world's economic system is unsustainable environmentally and has lead to greater oppression than has ever happened on this earth. Your neo-liberal economic policies are lies (though I will admit aspects of it have merit to it) told to you by the global elite as a means to justify their looting of the planet. Your whole system is a game, a game that is destroying our species' home.
     
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    Many have tried to plan an economy. All of them have failed. Miserably, I might add. To acknowledge the fact that market powers are overwhelmingly superior to any coercion is common sense. Or the pinnacle of insight, seeing as how everybody's fucking retarded.

    Anyway, I don't have the energy to argue/debate these days. Least of all with you. You behave like a spoiled child who throws a tantrum when it doesn't get what it wants and I don't wish to babysit you further.
     
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    Fascism is the most organized, efficient, and affective form of governance practiced by man. It was US world dominance which fizzled it out. North Korea's juche ideology, while different from fascism, shares many characteristics. North Korea would be a very powerful nation at this moment if it weren't for being on the receiving end of 60 years of economic assaults. During the 70s, North Korea was the envy of Asia, however the US stamped them along with the Soviet Union into bankruptcy.

    Despite this, I cannot support fascism due to personal conflicts.

    1) I like shiny things, and
    2) Fuck the police.

    I would undoubtedly act a pirate and pillage the homes and lives of others to consume their resources. My entire life will be driven by my desire to shatter the glass ceiling the government has placed over my head. This will end with me in a gulag, or simply executed on the spot.

    And also 3) I am not concerned about the world economy. Fuck all.

    Let the planets burn.
     
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    Who pollutes more than the government?
     
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    I did not know this about North Korea being so economically powerful. I shall have to do more research into this.

    As Mussolini clearly has stated, the fundamentals and how fascism should be implemented cannot remain static, it must change with time. I understand this as well and I do not believe a heavy police presence actually results in anyone being safer. Nor do I believe that fear is a means of keeping an entire sociopolitical system intact, it requires a pervasive dogma that is part of society. Robespierre and the Reign of Terror have adequately demonstrated how such fear ultimately fails.

    Regarding shiny things, I do not believe in rationing, however, I would be ignorant to deny that consumerist economic practice is unsustainable as well as a death sentence to our species. The truth of the matter is this, climate change is real and will change our planet radically. If we as a species want to fare as best we can through this storm, we need to radically change the entire world right now, it isn't a matter of changing our practices in a year or ten, it is basically a daily thing now. Our planet is dying that quickly. While changing everything would be radical now, waiting a year or ten will require EVEN MORE radical changes than if we changed our behavior now.

    People like you would be instrumental in colonizing the moon for it takes a special kind of crazy to colonize hostile environments.

    Economic autarky has its uses, but opening up for trade leads to more jobs in the end.

     
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    The (United States) Department of Defense, the Nuclear Energy Industry, Oil/Coal Companies, and the consumerist lifestyles of "Western" societies. If every human being were to live with the comforts of the average American citizen, there is only enough resources on Earth to maintain 1.5 billion of them. If every human being were to life with the comforts of the average Indian citizen, there is enough resources to maintain 15 billion of them.

    While we obviously don't want to live like Indians, but can our lavish lifestyles really be maintained?
     
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    This bureaucratic bullshit was only dismantled in late 1944 by Speer in a last ditch effort to expand war production. It improved war production by an unimaginable degree. At least to those who're completely ignorant in economics.

    Actually, no. Before the war even started Germany was suffering from metal and food shortages. To the point that the government was all but demanding that German citizens hand over all their possessions made of iron.

    The Weimar government, despite its initial idiocies, was improving Germany faster than the Nazis ever could and if it hadn't been for the Great Depression it's unlikely that the Nazis would've even become a major party.
     
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    Yes we get unnecessary bureaucracy/regulations hurt the economy and at the same time too little is bad for the consumer. The necessary amount is an ever adjusting spot and a government must be able to react to particular industries (as not all industries require the same rules and treatment) and the needs of the consumer who purchase goods from those industries. It requires a delicate balance of control between politicians who help maintain the fascist pervasive dogma, bureaucrats who work hard to streamline the necessary red tape, and technocrats who work towards making policy as efficient as it is sustainable.
     
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    The DoD IS the government. And when you take material production into account, nuclear reactors pollute less than solar panels.

    What does it matter if the whole world can't live like us?
     
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    Look into the 50s and 60s of North Korea, I quoted the wrong decade. 70s were the decline, cold war related.

    Under fascist rule, wouldn't this lead to an increase in production, thus an increase in consumption? Natural resource usage levels have just as much to do with it being a necessity of life as it has to do with privatized economic pillaging, unless we adopt Go-Green-Fascism, which would bring whole new meaning to the term Environmental Nazi. I don't really dig the idea of Big Brother telling me to put solar panels on my roof, or else I go to jail.

    IVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR YEARS. PRRROOOOOOSSSTTT

     
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    They are only a fraction of what is considered the government and you don't have to remind me how bloated the whole DoD is.

    And regarding nuclear energy vs. solar energy, the logistical process of nuclear energy, from the mines to the waste is the single most destructive and polluting form of energy on the planet.
     
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    Alright, thanks for clarifying that.

    It would, however, changing the norm of society to not buy inexpensive and cheaply made goods, simply to use them for a short period and throw them away merely to replace them with the same good. We need to change the very nature of goods to make things not only last longer, but components of them replaceable. One of the greatest strides we made during the industrial revolution was the concept of interchangeable parts. We need to make more of our goods have components that are replaceable if they wear down. From the soles of our boots to processors in our electronic tablets. Additive manufacturing makes this interchangeable idea of mine much more realistic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_manufacturing

     
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    Make the moon the next Australia, send all of the worlds criminals there to colonize it. Think of all the money we would save on prison maintenance.
     
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    Prison labor to make the moon colony possible? I like that idea. It has merits, but prisoners couldn't be the only people we use to make the colony possible. We will need specialists.
     
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    You brought it up.

    Forgot about uranium mining. Still, that's not the only available nuclear fuel, as China, India, and Norway are about to demonstrate.
     
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    Human life is parasitic in nature to the planet. We consume all animals, plants, and minerals. In return, we release toxic gas into the atmosphere, and research ways to get out. Recycling our waste is not enough to halt that which is of our very nature. We need to make a choice, either we have nice things or we have a healthy planet, but we cannot have both.

    That is why the only solution to a healthy Earth is worldwide economic failure and the reducing our infrastructure to zero. This is nihilistic and will require the suffering of all humanity. I do not want this, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking we can control the actions of 4 billion humans spread out over 200 million square miles.

    Thankfully, Earth will not die in our lifetime. I cannot predict when the planet will finally give up, but it eventually will. Or maybe we'll end it ourselves in a freak accident, playing with physics we don't understand. The moral is, we shouldn't waste our time trying to slow down the inevitable, and instead live to enjoy our insignificant footnote in the history of the universe.

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    Of course, the prisoners would most likely make up the bulk of the necessary manual laborers and the like. Who knows, there might be some specialists in jail as well.
     
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    Which is? Provide a link please.



    The idea that this existence is about enjoying one's self in this cycle of Samsara is absurd. Life is about struggle and those who don't struggle die.
     
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    I'm pretty sure we've talked about thorium in the past. I can dig up info if you need me to. But right now I gtg.
     
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    Oh molten salt reactors? I do believe that we can develop safer and cleaner nuclear technology, but here and now is not the time. Though I am open to a few research nuclear facilities to remain open in countries, but as a solution to our energy needs is absurd and dangerous. A disaster like Fukushima is proving that it only takes one disaster to have global consequences.
     
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    If everyone dies, why struggle?
     
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    Because there are things higher than the individual that we must strive for.
     
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    All of which you strive for you will be erased in the end. The better you organize the parasites, the faster it will happen. Putting 20,000 on Mars won't mean much to the billions of lost lives, and nothing can be done to make the human species a beneficial organism to Earth. Planets have a significantly longer life span than species however, and the Earth will rebuild itself anew once the cleansing process is complete.

    My point is, fascist environmental regulations will not stop the train from crashing. Not by a long shot. The only hope for humanity is to erase 2,000 years of science and history, which is impossible.
     
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    ik like this thread

    im going to read it when i doing something less important like being @ work
     
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    I agree, stopping the train from crashing cannot happen, even if we changed everything today. What we can do is make sure enough humans survive through developing sustainable economic and agricultural practices which is happening inside of California. Unlike much of the rest of the world, the developed nations will have the ability to deal with climate change for a large enough percentage of the population to survive. The developing nations will be destroyed as they are incapable of dealing with the changing environment.

    It isn't about stopping climate change, but adapting to it. Humans are capable of doing that, but only so many humans have the means to do that. Many will perish, but the conflict and strife we go through will only make our species stronger.
     
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    When I think of the end of humanity, I always consider that there will be a few stragglers who manage to survive longer than the masses. It would be extremely difficult for an entire country, region, or city to accomplish this, however small community tribes could develop a survival mechanism for a hundred or so people. It could involve living underground, or claiming territory least affected by nature's onslaught.

    Of course it's all relative to the magnitude of the climate change. If we're talking lots of storms and wild temperature swings, that is not enough to call apocalyptic. Oceans levels rising from melted ice, chain-reaction super volcano eruptions caking the atmosphere with dense ash, massive temperate changes (+/- 100), these are things which no entity can prepare millions, let alone billions, of people for.

    I agree with fascism economically. State run powerhouses can decimate competition and provide an endless stream of jobs. However, fascism is not a survival mechanism, and no society would stand for a government which forces their people into a perpetual state of disaster preparation.