Syria offers reforms, America offers hypocrisy.

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  1. Baya Rae 4900

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    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/02/15/us-loudly-condemns-proposed-syria-referendum/
     
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    And I wanna know whats the mania with the Empire taking down governments....ohh right ...middle east...sandniggers......oil.
     
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    Over a hundred and thirty views... only one reply. WTF?

    Actually, the entire news section has disproportionate view/post ratios. I guess it's easy to figure out why.

    Nein. America is stuck in the so-called Cold War Mentality(tm). That means that America sees rivals... and will support the enemies of their rival's allies. America does this in spite of its own interests and the democratic will of its citizens. Not to mention the various ethnic/religious/racial lobbies in America. Remember when the US Congress stood up and clapped like trained puppies when Netanyahu visited? (For instance.) Though sometimes America just fucks up other nations simply because it can. It feels the need to assert itself. In the words of one of the most callous and decrepit Americans in recent times, "What good is a military if you can't use it?"
     
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    Assad isn't stupid.
    But i wonder how genuine this reform is/will the people in Syria buy it.
     
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    after assads goons finish deleting fukking everything in homs the rebellion will be over

    just like is dady did 30 years ago

    usa israel should be worries more about haji extrmists comming 2 power like in libya and egypt
     
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    That's not Assad's doing. That's the so-called Sunni majority's doing.

    If we take Libya and Iraq into account then the absence of the dictator will lead to the deaths of many minorities. But I guess that so-called left-wingers never really gave a shit about minorities to begin with.
     
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    I wonder what The Member Formerly Known As Baya's hardon for America is really about? He's just so mad that its more relevant on the world stage than his dinky little desert island, being superior is technology and culture, that he just has to find fault whenever they encourage democracy in the world. Trust me The Member Formerly Known As Baya, American foreign policy is MUCH better considered than Australian, especially considering the responsibilities America has. Australia has 0 responsibility, so its easy for them to have a foreign policy that makes people like them.
     
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    I'm pretty sure I spelt it out a while back so that even a retard like you would understand. I'm anti-American because America and a large chunk of Americans are out to exterminate my tribe.
     
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    What tribe? Basement dwelling pasty ass whities?
     
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    No, I'm not American.
     
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    America's government does not care about democracy of any kind, except insofar as it is friendly to American business interests. One need only open a history book to see the countless times where America has aided fascist coups, invaded sovereign nations unprovoked, and installed puppet governments trained and backed by American officials. Anyone who disputes this is a fucking retard who is not worth even a second of a thinking man's time.
     
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    so the logic behind calling America a hypocrite is based on their condemnation of this proposed referendum.
    America is against a referendum that aims to increase stability and quell violence while furthering the cause of democracy, but these are the same interests that America claims to be pursuing.


    The Member Formerly Known As Baya, I recomend getting your news from less biased sources. The only reason you're interested in this article is because of the anti-american conclusion it's drawn. But that conclusion is hinged around this single assumption:

    America condemns the proposal because it's against their interests. Because they don't want progress.

    To me that seems like an interesting assumption to make. I would be more inclined to think America condemns the proposal because it has no credibilty coming from the current government of Syria. Because the integrity such a proposal is laughable when this same government is still killing it's own people.

    But if we assume this alternative is the case, America isn't showing any hypocrisy. They just don't believe the government of Syria.

    So why assume the first unless you're trying to make America look bad?
     
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    Well this is the original piece I got the info from. Here is what America was proposing last year. That was at the height of the violence and long before the anti-government guerillas in Syria were fully organized. So your claims of America giving a shit about "governments killing their own people" (are you fucking retarded, mate?) seems a bit empty.
     
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    As much as I think that, I didn't actually make that claim. What I said was that it's more likely they simply don't trust Assad as oposed to condemning the proposal because it conflicts with their interests.
     
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    Yet they "trusted" him last year, at the height of the conflict? Not that it matters. I've more than proven that Americans are hypocrites in foreign affairs. You are dismissed.
     
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    You're not good enough to be american.
     
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    You've made a barely convincing argument. Because the US has changed their views on syria over the past year that means they're hypocrites.
     
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    You're right, I suck at being a hypocrite.

    Nigger, are you really this retarded? I mean really.
     
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    Are you only going to be little intelectual contrarian smartypants when it suits you? Where's the argument? Why don't you sit down for five seconds and tell me how the US changing it's stance on an issue after a year can only be explained by hypocrisy?
     
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    They're hypocrites because they lambaste the lack of democracy yet do everything they can to block democratic reforms. No doubt because it would shatter their casus belli against Syria. Also, Americans support Saudi Arabia, which is much worse than either Syria or Libya. Not to mention other tyrannical governments throughout the planet. So, again, the hypocrisy just keeps piling up.
     
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    I'm talking specifically about this case. Not the wider point of whether America does hypocritical things, I'm not going to argue that it doesn't, but why this case is one of them.
     
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    Here are some of America's allies in the region which have a worse "record on Human rights" than Assad: Israel, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain. Not to mention former allies, including: Iran, Iraq and Egypt.
     
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    sorry, i forgot what we were arguing about what with the seven month gap.
     
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    Bah. Typical.
     
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    ok, I'll play ball. so i'm guessing you still think America is an evil, monolithic entity?
     
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    Where have I indicated that?
     
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    pretty much all of your posts.
     
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    Where, exactly? Where have I used the words evil or monolithic? Or even alluded to them?
     
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    That's just the general impression i get from you. Let me put it a different way, do you think America is evil?