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Discussion in 'Religion & Politics' started by Boudica, Aug 4, 2015.

  1. uberfukken

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    Paul will not be raising taxes on anyone. His plan is to flat tax all business at 15% and eliminate taxes for anyone who makes less than 50k. This is a dramatic decrease for both business and personal, which means he intends to slash a shitload of government spending.

    Him and Sanders are polar opposites on the economy.
     
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    Trump continues to faulter on his lead, gets boo'd for calling Rubio a clown.

     
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    i meant it was true for sanders, Paul has another way which is reducing government i get that i just didn't think to distiguish it.
     
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    Sanders wants a much larger/further reaching government.
     
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    Right as i said, i likes Sanders policy more than Rand's because i believe their fiscal matters could be solved by taxing corporations to Eisenhower levels.

    In the 1950's Corporate taxes hit 50 percent, which were reasonable and now the upper class has big excess of money.
     
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    That is a bad plan.

    Also I still do see the correlation you draw between Paul and berry.
     
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    Why anyone thought Trump had a chance is beyond me.

    But nothing is more entertaining than seeing people freak out about his chances of being elected.

    Frankly, I'm looking forward to seeing him run as a third party candidate; not only will he split up the Conservative vote, but it'll also underline WHY third parties are a bad idea to people who don't realize it yet.
     
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    Yes, because deporting every single one of 11 million undocumented immigrants residing in the U.S., changing the constitution to end birthright citizenship and building a 2000 mile wall along the Mexican border paid by the Mexican government is a very plausible plan.

    Donald Trump is a joke and has always been a joke.
     
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    It's entirely plausible, and it's not even complicated. Only the literally retarded don't believe that.

    I'm sorry you seem to fall into that category, but genetics can be a harsh mistress.

    Mass third-world colonization of first-world nations is the only issue that matters.

    Oh, also, birthright citizenship is not enshrined in the Constitution, so aside from your erroneous supernatural belief that people can only migrate northwards, your basic Constitutional knowledge is severely lacking.

    Even building the wall is not even remotely unfeasible, compared to other border walls that have been built by much poorer nations. It just has to be, what, 7x larger than Israel's, at 0.5% of the federal budget? Clearly an impossible feat.
     
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    I and many I know more about tax reform then losing the kid that does our yard work.

    Honestly, I believe he would be a great prez.
    If you look at his business he is stone cold when it comes to policing his top tier management and really 99% of the success of a president is dependent on who they cabinet up.
     
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    Colonizing your country with tens of millions of eventual voters who don't want tax reform renders your tax reform issue moot. This isn't rocket science.

    Unless you want Mexico's political system, you don't import millions of Mexican colonists. That is why the issue renders all others pointless.
     
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    I live in a city that 98% citizens of Mexican decent and just as many illegal, it's hard to find a democrat.
     
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    Congratulations on living in a (anecdotally) statistically anomalous area.
     
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    Thanx, the tacos are top notch.
     
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    I do love a good taco.
     
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    China fucking did it several millenia ago ffs
     
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    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
    See section 1
    Even with my elemental knowledge in U.S. geography I know that building a wall alongside the Mexican border will be much more challenging than building a wall along the West Bank. U.S.-Mexico border runs through the remote desert in Arizona, mountain ranges in New Mexico and Texas and 2/3 of its length runs alongside rivers.

    In addition, the problem doesn't end by building a wall. You have to maintain and police all 2000 miles of it. Unlike the West Bank barrier, such a wall alongside the U.S.-Mexico border will be in remote landscapes. It will cost much much more. I don't see how it's worth wasting that much resources.

    If somehow Americans are dumb enough to waste resources building such a wall, it will still be impossible make it impenetrable. Mexicans know how to use ladders. They know how to make underground tunnels. They'll find a way to get through it, easily.




    Also, if you don't want undocumented immigrants in America, tell people to stop hiring them. That seems like a much easier solution than building a supposedly impenetrable 2000 mile wall.
     
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    illegal immigrants aren't naturalised citizens
     
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    Thank you for demonstrating that even amongst high-average-IQ east asians there's a far left end to the bell curve.

    Criminals who run across the border and drop a kid on US soil do not meet the qualifications of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, due to that second clause that you're ignoring - "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". That clause specifically excludes foreign nationals.

    And even if it did grant anchor baby citizenship (which it doesn't), that still wouldn't mean the parents become citizens. They're welcome to take their kids with them when they get deported.

    All that reversing the "anchor baby" phenomenon requires is legislation - and it may not even require that, it may just require a shift in administrative doctrine in our immigration services. It does not require an Amendment to the Constitution.

    Criminals can break open doors and windows - therefore, you should leave your doors and windows open at all times.

    Enforcing our employment laws is a fundamental part of the solution when it comes to reversing the direction of the migration, yes. Maybe you're not totally hopeless after all.
     
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    Oh, and maintaining a border wall is far less of a waste of resources than just about anything else the US government currently wastes money on. It's a tiny fraction of what the US currently spends propping up Wall Street and shitting up the Middle East and North Africa.

    A nation without borders is not a nation, period, and enforcing border security and controlling immigration is actually one of the legitimate functions of the federal government, which it would be nice to see the fedgov engage in for a change.
     
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    OK. You're right.
     
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    I was exhausted last night/this morning after the marathon, and was probably a lot more insulting in my responses here than I needed to be. Not an excuse, just an explanation as to why I was being an even bigger asshole than I normally am. I could've made my point a lot more concisely and as less of a raging twat if I'd just slept on it first.

    In any case, I just found a decent summary of the meaning of the 14th Amendment, and related legislation and case law, as it pertains to birthright citizenship, should anyone care to read up a bit further on the subject: http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html (Yes, the site has an obvious bias on the issue, but their references are solid)
     
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    Democratic debate scheduled for October 13th - 2 weeks from now.

    Bobby Sheikh Jindal is expected to drop out of the GOP race soon.
    Rand Paul is expected to drop out to focus on his senate re-election.
     
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    It merits mention that the fourteenth amendment was not ratified by lawful means. Southern states were forced to vote for it or else get looted by the federal government while having congressional representation denied--a remarkably unconstitutional offense which the amendment would not have passed without.

    How nobody has made an issue of going back and retracing the ratification with updated language (probably including reconsideration of birthright citizenship) is beyond me.
     
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    we watching that on cytube or?