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Discussion in 'Religion & Politics' started by Boudica, Aug 4, 2015.
It's easier for me to buy a gun at a pawn shop than a pint of vodka on Sunday
I think the NRA should be barred from lobbying. They are owned by gun companies and actually privately support mass shootings as in the aftermath it drives up sales.
Tell the NRA to perform only the firearm education and training programs that they used to be about, or to shut down.
Yes the gun companies are currently in a lot of financial trouble because they massively overstocked thinking Clinton would win and people would start buying ARs like crazy
Imagine if one day you couldn't embed tweets
That would be horrible
Oh no, how terrible. I'd get exactly what I want.
........people continuing to post as normal?
No arguing about that... but that trend started in the 60's. Some might argue that it started even earlier, 500 years ago or more, and our ancestors helped in the process.
C'mon, Bays, we are hearty people, shoot me a PM whenever you like.
" Not to mention Gonzalez' ethnicity automatically activates white guilt "
Lol, wtf are they talking about? Robocop's protocols or something?
I have no idea?
I guess the Facebooker is talking about science by this point.
I activate my white guilt by eating tamales with caviar
For someone who believes in communism so much as you do weird how you want to further delegate extra rights to certain group of people. If the government "grants" rights how can you reasonably expect them to be free of bias?
Is the government wrong by "granting rights" for people to fly an airplane?
All im hearing from liberals is that "semi-automatic weapons didnt exist when the 2A was written so thats why it needs to be removed"
Thats cool and all but how are you supposed to fight against the tyrannical government armed with muskets?
In my eyes the NFA laws are a violation of the 2A already as the citizenry should be armed the same as the military
"Shall not be infringed" requiring people to go through the Class 3, tax stamp etc hoops for an automatic weapon sounds like infringement to me
The People should have free access to buy their own tanks and nuclear ICBMs
You have to read the whole amendment, not just the last four words.
Are you really saying you don't know the difference between rights and privileges/licences are?
The Founding Fathers™ allowed privately owned cannons. Just FYI.
Class 3, tax stamp is an infringement? Good luck with that one. No one is ever going to win an argument which your right to owning or purchasing a firearm is being violated by you not being able to afford the tax on the item. Because then the price of the item would be focal point of the argument, as you are making. Then one could reasonably argue the high price of quality firearms would then be an infringement; therefore, guns and ammunition should be free, or a different scale of value would be needed for persons of different economic status. Sounds like you would need a really centralized government to do that, and if such a gubbermint was in place to do so, why would they include a right to self defense at all?
People can own fully auto firearms. People can own tanks, People can own arty pieces. You have to have money to do so, and the proper tax stamp. Considering the seller is the gubbermint in the majority of the cases they can restrict sales. As so far as the ICBM angle, be serious, nuclear arms were always intended as a deterrent weapon. The idea which a gubbermint would nuke large sections of cities and or country, rendering them uninhabitable for decades, in an effort to quash a rebellion is ludicrous -- heavy artillery, however, this has been done many times throughout history, and small arms have been used effectively in overrunning an arty battery.
The 2nd is to provide the means to resist the gubbermint if and when they grow tyrannical. It's the foot in the door, to keep them from slamming it shut on the people.
The gov can reject your Class 3 permit application. Infringement
LOL no. and yes.
If you are legally allowed to have a firearm, which doesn't make sense since it is a right, you can have a Class three weapon.
The class 3 permit pertains to the weapon dealer - not purchaser. If they are a Class 1 then the dealer would have to fill out the paperwork. From what I understand.
Repeat after me
Well Regulated Militia
One more time, with emphasis
Say this first, "The right of the people, (to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed)." You'll find that phase in a couple of other amendments also.
Plus, you are using the wrong meaning of "regulated." Common mistake for Merica hatin' communists as yourself. It didn't mean the gubbermint had a right to make laws over the conduct of the militia, that would be stupid. If the militia was designed to prevent a tyrannical gubbermint then why would that gubbermint want to have any militias around, and what purpose would those laws have in reality?
The military has it's own code of *gasp* regulations. UCMJ. Well regulated.
And regulated could mean the manner and drilling of such a force. ie not rampant barbarians, being disciplined, trained in shooting etc.,
But don't take my word for it. https://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm
George Mason, one of the Virginians who refused to sign the Constitution because it lacked a Bill of Rights, said: "Who are the Militia? They consist now of the whole people." Likewise, the Federal Farmer, one of the most important Anti-Federalist opponents of the Constitution, referred to a "militia, when properly formed, [as] in fact the people themselves."
There are several commas separating well regulated militia and right of the people to bear arms blah blah blah.
The supreme court always ruled in favor of the 2A as its now so why bother argueing against it.
The original text was from 10 years before in the virginia law
A well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
They chopped it down quite a bit for the constitution to appease the people from Vermont and Pennsylvania who wanted the rule to simply state "people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves."
People argued over the constitution and they're still arguing today. There's a whole field called constitutional law that Obama taught as a university professor for 12 years and is why you are now permanently triggered.
I prefer the not-a-lunatic version and so did everyone as the words "well regulated" made it in to the final draft. Not "The militia is the people"