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Discussion in 'Religion & Politics' started by Boudica, Aug 4, 2015.

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    Trump hates you, Bodicka
     
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    Taiwan has all the post-debate commentary you need:

     
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    My immediate guess is to say somebody from GOP is going to win as per the Republican-Democrat tradeoff that's been happening with rare exception since Eisenhower was in office. That being said, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Obongo's open borders has shifted the demographics enough that this country is on a collision course to keep moving left. In which case, my guess is on Sanders and it's time for me to start laying groundwork to move to Eastern Europe.

    All assuming, of course, that Hillary's Bilderberg pals aren't just going to [email protected] and put her in office as their proxy .
     
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    Sanders is pretty pro-border control. Much more so than Bush and Obama were. In fact spic voters are starting to dislike him over his intense hatred of open border policy.
     
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    The reason why Sanders is Pro Border Control is because Sanders is bought by trade unions. If he wants union money, he needs to be Pro Border Control.
     
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    Politicans only support what their donors tell them to. Democracy has become a for-profit establishment.
     
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    It's because government is so big it can become for profit. If it was small and a real free market was in place instead of the FED you wouldn't have these problems.
     
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    I grant him that. Otherwise except for a few civil liberties positions, it's everything else about him that I take issue with.
     
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    Better a socialist than a traitor, I always say. Or in this case a social democrat.
     
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    I'm guessing from all the ones I have seen (This is from a UK perspective) I would go for Scott Walker.
     
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    His reasoning in regards to American wages and jobs being affected by open borders is sound. Have you read what he has to say about it in his own words?

    Like what? He seems to have taken the best of both European socialist policy and American republican policy and adapted it as his own. The man seems straight on every issue and is absolutely consistent with his ideology and conviction. Something not one other candidate does.
     
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    Bernie Sanders is proposing 18 trillion in new spending while the country is 18 trillion in debt. That alone should get him laughed off the stage, but somehow it doesn't.
     
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    He's also proposing tax and trade reform to create more revenue.
     
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    Tax the rich bullshit. It doesn't work. There are people who go to school to evade that shit, they're called accountants.
     
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    It worked just fine under other administrations and will work again. If you think it doesn't you need only look at each administration before Bush jr. Besides, tax reform is a bit more complicated than Robin Hood economics. Generation of new revenue will only take place with significant tax reform. The US was generating far more revenue and far less debt under the significantly higher taxes of Reagan, Bush sr., and Clinton. With taxes at their lowest in history, the government doesn't have money of its own anymore.
     
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    That's interesting. I don't remember any point in history we had an 18 trillion dollar tax surplus. In fact, any time taxes have been increased on corporations, the losses have been recouped through lowering worker pay and hours. If he were to somehow wave a magic wand on US corporations and raise such an unprecedented amount of money, whose wallet do you think it's going to come out of. Things aren't as cut and dry as you wish they were. These big evil corporations are going to continue being big evil corporations and nobody in politics can stop them because they are bigger than politics.

    None of his shit would even pass in a Republican controlled congress anyway. It's pointless for him to try. Even democrats do double-takes on his proposals. He'd have to rewrite the constitution to get anything done.
     
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    Democracy doesnt work.
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    Taxes or for that matter the government doesn't generate revenue. On the other hand private sector jobs do and in turn generate taxes.

    What the fuck are you talking about?
    It's simple- spreading wealth is not in anyway generating wealth which is kinda a big deal when you talk about paying debts.
     
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    I'm pretty sure I've changed everyone's minds. They're just too proud to admit it. Which is strange because nobody here apart from Zaiger has anything to be proud of.
     
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    it'd be really boring living in an echo chamber... some of my favorite people on the forum are on the opposite side of the political spectrum from me
    pretty sure everybody on the forum that's not you can be proud of not logging in to see "Signed in as Baya Rae 4900"
     
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    That's a mighty low bar you've set there.
     
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    you set the bar low by merely existing

    on a sidenote, now that i had some free time i decided to play catch up on bernie's 18 trillion proposal. i'll focus on the health care, which is the vast majority of what he's proposing.
    he has allocated 15 trillion for single-payer health care, the type the rest of the first world has
    americans spend twice as much on health care as the rest of the world does
    healthcare.
    what bernie's intentions are is to lower the cost that people pay
    the 15 trillion over a ten year period that bernie is proposing is actually less that what we are currently paying
    every year medicare costs are between 500-600 billion. i'll round down. 5 billion over a ten year period is 5 trillion. In 2012, the u.s. spent 2.8 trillion on healthcare. Since I don't know if that is with or without the medicare included, i won't include it. 2.8 trillion times 10, is over 20 trillion. that alone is less that what bernie intends to spend.
    in short, every person would kick in two more dollars for every 1 dollar they're currently paying on medicare, and then businesses and everybody else won't have to pay a dime over that.
     
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