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Discussion in 'Religion & Politics' started by Seku, Oct 18, 2011.
I can't enforce how little it matters whether or not poor Johnny Bumper-Lips gets treatment for getting shot in a drug deal gone bad. Obamacare is just another silly dream that probably won't come to pass.
"Well, it just means a lot more bankruptcy, it means healthcare is going to be a lot worse. You know, take the whole idea that you can force somebody to give insurance to somebody, even until they’re 26. Why isn’t that an agreement between the customer and the insurance company? So this will be very costly, and where are they going to get the money? They’re going to either have to get a bonus from the government, or the insurance companies go bankrupt. So these kinds of mandates are all over the place. And, of course, the mandate that is really atrocious is the collection of about $400 billion worth of new taxes. That, of course, is why they are planning to hire 16,500 more IRS agents.
So it is a bad bill all the way around, and it will hasten the day of the bankruptcy of this country, and the American people will have to face that. So it would be a terrible way to bring this to a head. But indeed it will. It will put us in such financial shape, that this country will have to decide, “Do we want to live in a free country, or we want to live under totalitarianism”. And the point that you made about mandating and forcing people to buy something that they don’t want and maybe don’t even need, I think is a major step in the wrong direction." - Ron Paul
This was stated before Obamacare was even passed.
Seriously, Ron Paul is the only way to go.
The funny thing is, if people on the internetz love to troll and do it anonymously, then why not vote for Ron Paul?It's the biggest troll to America. Almost nobody wants him.
It would be hilarious.
Fuck Ron Paul! Go Jon Huntsman.
I don't really know the specifics of Obamacare. What I do know is this, the GOP resists (some) healthcare reform because they get campaign contributions from HMOs and making healthcare a federal issue (which it is as it involves interstate commerce). By making healthcare a federal issue, that would mean one set of laws, not all this bullshit in all these states. These various state laws create HMO monopolies that don't have to worry about competition from upstarts who will undercut their profits. By taking healthcare away from the states, the federal government can make one set of rules and open up the field for more competition which will lower prices.
Huntsman didn't even go to last nights Rep. Debate. Who gives shit about him.
Learn about something before you complain about it.
Besides how can you have competition if there's 1 set of rules? If the Gov. is in something then it dominates everything, like a monopoly. Dumbass. 100% Gov. always gets it wrong. Look at the U.S. Post Office.
Jon Huntsman left the GOP debates because they are a sham. A sham that produces 30 second sound bites and catchy slogans. Neither of these will solve America's problems and the fact that Jon Huntsman is breaking off from this sham is smart politically.
How can you have competition if there is one set of rules? Besides that being really stupid to say, I will explain this. By leveling the playing field so that all companies abide by the same rules, instead of changing their policies to get into different states (which prevents some HMOs from going into states). By making all laws regarding healthcare the same, you open up new markets for HMOs. These HMOs want to make money, and eventually one of them will begin to undercut the others and then it will be a race. This is the idea behind capitalism and we see this happen daily via consumerism.
Your first part of this statement contradicts the last part. The US Post Office is hardly a monopoly, it is pretty bankrupt and probably will be abolished in the near future. However, there was a time where it provided a valuable role, but now a private industry has replaced a government institution because it is more efficient. There is nothing wrong with that. I find it hard to believe that the government gets it wrong 100% of the time. I'm not even sure what you mean by "always get it wrong." Please elaborate.
You're definitely trolling.
I'm all for "Obamacare." (It should really be called Johnson-Bush-Obamacare.)
But seriously though, I do not like Obamacare.
-It won't decrease costs health care costs for the government. According to the superior medicare, it will actually increase costs. The same is likely to happen to the privately funded health care, which really fucks people that can afford to be treated by the best money can buy.
-It covers abortions. While I find abortions positively hysterical , I don't want to pay for them.
-Obamacare allows the IRS to confiscate part or ALL of your tax refund if you do not purchase a QUALIFIED insurance plan. And because the government hasn't actually qualified ANY insurance companies yet, they can fuck you whenever they want. The bill also funds 16,000 new IRS agents to make sure Americans stay in line.
So, what you're actually going to be paying for is a longer, girthier, and far less pleasurable tax dick IN YOUR ASS.
Your country already spends a lot more per capita on healthcare, yet if you get cancer in the USA, you're pretty much fucked with debt for life, while in those other countries, it's not really a problem. Can someone explain this to me?
The best way to explain American debt is this.
2). THROW MONEY AT IT
3). PROBLEM STILL EXISTS
4). IGNORE IT
6). THROW MORE MONEY AT IT
7). Return to Step 1.
Then it comes to to "NIGGA, WE ARE FUCKING BROKE!"
THAT'S when we raise the debt ceiling so we can enter "NO WE AIN'T, LOOK AT ALL THE MONEY WE CAN BLOW" mode.
Health insurance in America is privatised. This means health care is provided by private companies. Companies, as we all know, have only one goal: making profits. And that's exactly what they do. They hook you up with an insurance that makes you pay shitloads of money every year but since there is little to no communication between the private insurance companies and the government, prices soar and when you actually do get cancer or any other serious illness, all the dollars you had to pay all those years only cover for one month treatment or so, which means that if you have a chronic or a long-term disease you can start thinking about that mortgage on your house or sell your car.
Americans spend shitloads of money on health care yet in return they get one of the most inefficient and money-absorbing systems there are.
That sounds much better than the European system!
Yes, in fact, it's so damn good millions of Americans who live near the Canadian border go to Canada for their health care
We live in a country where if someone tries to burn down your house, the arsonist can go to a government run library to look up how to do it and get the materials in the mail via a government run mail carrier. Meanwhile, you get rescued in the night by the government run fire department, rushed to the hospital by the government run paramedics to be operated on by doctors who, more likely than not, spent 12 years in our government run school system, while the government run police department investigates the fires and sends the arsonist to a government run prison. If the arsonist is Arab, then it becomes the job of the government run military to interrogate the man, and the government run intelligence agency to figure out why he did it.
But God help you if you get actually injured in the fire and don't have your own private medical insurance! After all, if we had government run medical insurance, that'd be socialism!
Obamacare sounds like a crock of shit,
Basically you have the Government that is getting benefits by playing into the agenda of profits, then you have the Government that backstabs private businesses, which means NO JOBS!!!!
As for healthcare in general, US is fucked with it, there should be government funding to cover people, because this is heathcare, you don't want some insurance company that DOES NOT want to pay up when a real accident happens, do you really want to risk your life by playing that game? Accidents come out of the blue.
Unless you got hurt doing something intentionally stupid with full knowledge of the consequences, you should be treated free or at least hravily subsidized, idiot thrill seekers who get hurt doing something stupid jackass style and do it again, should be forced to pay increasing costs for the hospital having to nanny their stupid ass, till finally they get jailtime.
If the Government of the U.S blows about a billion dollars a month paying lazy blacks with their niglets to sit on their asses and never work, think of how much better use it would be if used for subsidizing healthcare for working class?
I just pictured four niggers in a flophouse in California doing the same thing.
You made my evening.
All this and Australia is all about watching these fuck ups and then doing them slightly differently.
Tony Abbot for PM!!
Let's just say I have some reservations about the government giving 30 million unwilling customers to an industry that has pretty much bought both parties. Those codes against coverage denial aren't reassuring either. "reasonable caps"? So if they're profits drop, what are they going to do? Downsize executive pay, or petition Congress to adjust the caps?
I don't believe in giving my tax money to broke niggers that "can't afford" health care of their own. I don't believe that just because penniless vermin are unwilling to contribute to the nation that we should take care of them. Your being poor because of your own shitty decision making is no one else's fault but your own. Everyone has the potential to be rich and shit, they just don't want to put forth the effort.
TL;DR Poor people being poor is their own fault.
I got that EBT so HOOD RICH
People REMAINING poor is their own fault. I can understand the need for a social safety net; but we're footing the bill for a fucking hamock and a bucket of Coronas.
Nobody has put America's financial situation so eloquently, Joe. I applaud you.
I'm trying to figure out why America has a debt ceiling in the first place if they're just going to keep raising it. That sort of defeats the purpose of a debt ceiling.
I disagree. Some people are just really fucking stupid.
If an out of the blue car accident befalls you that was the result of another driver eho was drunk, and you cannot afford your medical expenses which pretty much match the cost of a brand new fancy car, it's NOT your fault that you cannot afford it, very few people can pay off 10,000 on short notice like.. Just suddenly.
Nobody plans to end up in a hospital.
That's what healthcare funded by the public is about, the public funds it, the public uses it if they need it.
That's the whole idea.
No different to your taxes that maintain wages for garbage collectors, sewerage systems, maintaining the roads, fixing cracked raised pavement on a footpath.
You get the idea?
The idea should not be to make beds available to niggers who don't work because they refuse to, or stupid hipster and hippy fucks from occupy wall st.
In short welfare grabbing liberals, they should not be allowed prime treatment at hospitals because they do not work.
They always complain about the government and the lack of jobs and social debt, while contributing heavily to the problem by not working.
So, for whatever reason, you get laid off and get in a car accident, under the above model would that cunt still get health care or are you turning the tap off for any unemployed? I'm not trolling, I'm actually pretty in to this thread.
p.s A while ago, I was all about privatisin every single aspect of society until I grew up and realized that it a) isn't feasible economically or morally and b) there really isn't anything wrong with a properly run mixed economy.