Mysterious cases

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  1. Milwin

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    This is a thread about mysterious cases that haven't been solved yet, we the intelligent EDiots will try to solve the cases that are posted in this thread.
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    First case (thanks to @uberfukken for finding this) :

    This counts as both forensic science and paranormal science.

    Elisa Lam was a 21 year old Canadian tourist in Los Angeles who was found dead on February 2013 inside the hotel's locked water supply unit on the roof. Bonus points, hotel guests were drinking and bathing in corpse contaminated water for 2 weeks.

    Surveillance footage shows Elisa's final moments on an elevator.



    Why wouldn't the door close? Who was she hiding from? What's the deal with those hand motions?

    Independent investigators have gone to the hotel and proved how extremely difficult it would be to carry a body to the top and dump it in the water supply. The hotel was also home to "The Nightstalker" Richard Ramirez as well as another serial killer, Jack Unterweger.

    Police have ruled the death accidental, and blame her bi-polar condition as the cause. In other words, they have no fucking clue how it happened. No drugs were found in her system.

    Could this be the work of a demonic spirit? Or perhaps an extremely well plotted Rape/murder by a hotel maintenance worker.

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    http://www.ghosttheory.com/2013/06/22/what-really-happened-to-elisa-lam
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/elisa-lam-death-accidental_n_3474871.html
     
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    why doesn't the elevator door close? seems someone must have the service key on the elevator on outside the elevator. The controls are not functioning as she pushes them. What elevator door stays open that long ? It seems like she is being stalked by someone who has access to the hotel. Obviously so if she ended up on the roof. So why no word on who may have service keys? Where is the autopsy results ? hmm so strange.
     
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    Police ruled this as an "accidental death" when it's a clear murder.

    Elisa starts by getting in the elevator, not knowing she's being followed. Someone is on the outside holding the Up and Down button which makes it so the door won't close.

    @0:12 the person holding the button instructs her to exit the elevator. She pokes out, sees the guy, and becomes frightened.

    @0:50 she exits the elevator and is instructed to not look at him.

    @1:130 she is instructed to get back in the elevator and press the button for all the different floors, and then exit the elevator again. At that point the door closes and the video cuts off.

    Whoever did it knew of the camera and stayed out of range. From here, the assailant took her to the roof, raeped her, and threw her body in the water storage unit. He also placed her clothes in a bag and burned the evidence.

    There is a fire alarm that's supposed to go off when you enter the roof, however reports from various people say "sometimes it goes off, sometimes it doesn't" - which means there is some way to avoid triggering it that the assailant knew about.

    Also, the assailant had a key to the water tank, which either means he is/was a maintenance worker or managed to steal/copy keys from a maintenance worker.

    After the body had been in the tank for 2 weeks it destroys any forensic evidence of raep. Since the police had no forensic evidence, no witnesses, and no suspects, they ruled the death accidental instead of giving us the truth which is they can't solve it.
     
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    Also if she would have just stayed in the elevator, chances are she'd still be alive. The guy would have had to go on camera to get her out, and he probably would have just given up instead.
     
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    hmmm, this is the most reasonable hypothesis about the issue, it is most likely that someone who works for the hotel was getting desperate and his sexual desires grew too much. So he planned it out to Rape a woman, but one thing is bothering me, if the woman saw the culprit and she stayed in the elevator, it is most likely he was going to get found unless he wore a mask, so if he did wear a mask then why didn't he just force her from the elevator?
    was he scared? was he paranoid?
     
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    Wearing a mask would protect the face, but police would also gain an accurate height/weight which would narrow things down significantly. Also, a hotel resident could possibly ID him based on his clothing.

    The only lead the police had to go on is the water tank key. The first thing is to question everyone with access to the key, and extensively question/search the person who controls who gets possession of the keys. Go through all their receipts looking for key duplications, and fingerprint/dna test any area where spare copies are held.

    If this turns up nothing, the next step would be video surveillance and receipts from all the local key shops. If they have video, try and ID anyone who has been spotted on the hotel camera within the past few months. Most key places don't have cameras though, so the other option is to look at all their receipts and try to locate copies made for either 1 key or the exact number of keys on the maintenance ring. This is unlikely to yield anything and your best case scenario would be merely finding out when the copy was made.
     
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    hmmm, in other words it was quite difficult to find the culprit, especially considering it was possibly just a Rape crime and they had no relation to each other. It's very hard to find the culprit if there were many staff members who had access to the water tank, either that or someone stole a key wearing gloves and committed his actions.
     
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    The hotel's in a bad neighborhood too, homicide detectives around there are overworked. That's a tough case and they have a new one popping up every week or so. The fact that the body was found for 2 weeks makes it next to impossible. Even if they managed to ID the guy, he could be anywhere in the world by now.

    I don't like how they ruled the death accidental instead of just admitting to having another cold case on their hands. They blamed it on her being bi-polar because of the hand motions yet no medical records show any type of mental disorder. Right now the parents are suing the hotel. I don't know what they hope to accomplish though because the police ruled her death accidental. If anyone should be suing it's the residents of the hotel for being forced to bathe/drink corpse water for 2 weeks.
     
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    So is this case done?
    if anyone wanna say something then do so now.
     
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    You can see another persons foot @ 2:27

    or it could be the illuminati !!!
    I actually read the illuminati story and enjoyed the way people could point it in that direction, especially how they took her body off site and put her in a different tank, then switched tanks on the roof at night with no one seeing.
     
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    The whole paranormal field is fucked because almost all of it are entertainers parading themselves around as researchers. A real investigator looks for every reason something is not a paranormal event, not the other way around.

    There are still some good organizations but it's like looking for a needle in a haystack
    http://atransc.org/
    http://www.forteans.com/

    I have a lot to say about this subject so I'll make a thread whenever I can be assed to compile my resources together.
     
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    bump, anyone wanna show some cases for us to solve?
     
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    @uberfukken it seems the lisa case aint over yet doug, I got special information from a trustworthy source about the case which might expand it even further.

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    what you see is a cap from a movie called dark water where the plot is a bit similar to the case of lisa, what's even weirder is that the name of the girl in it is cecilia, the name of the hotel? cecil..........


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    You probably can see what the pic above is, damn that's some insane shit.


    Another thing I wanna say is that soon after her death somewhere near that place there has been a TB epidemic killing a shittons of people, do you know the name of the kit used to test TB? fucking LAM ELISA man!!!!!! i shit you not
     
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    b4 that let's to link these clues of the liza case, you have an idea?
     
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