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  1. Chrono

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    Cuphead is challenging to play? Yeah. But impossible to play? Nah. There's worse.

    Makes you wonder if has he ever beaten any those of old NES and SNES era games he loved so much, since this game takes a lot of gameplay inspiration from those games.
    I probably wouldn't be surprised though, if didn't even beat any or only a few.
     
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    Memorization and trial-by-error is a very strict, difficult playstyle that encourages pattern recognition and relies upon reflex and instinct via that trial section. While not for everyone, there's nothing that makes that a bad game design.

    So:
    -don't buy the game if you don't have time, patience, or desire to play this kind of game
    How are they being excluded, exactly? They bought a product advertised as a difficult game. Did they expect a difficult game would yet somehow be short? They would feel ripped off if it wasn't a good experience. That's like saying vegetarians are excluded because of the hamburger's content, that has no fucking fault on the hamburger and entirely on the consumer. The customer is always right because they can always buy somewhere else, nobody put a gun to their head and told them to play Cuphead.

    It's artificial difficulty sure, but with a perfect rationale: every animation was hand-drawn and hand-painted on cels. They only have so many patterns they can have because of this, without driving cost up immensely. It's not lazy here, it's frugal. Cuphead has already taken this long to come out for plenty of reasons, adding more animations which would require more conversion into assets would take money and time. It's also a game you own once you buy it so that "artificial" difficulty makes no real argument when each level is less than 3 minutes to finish AND constructed so the run-n-gun and boss fights are separate stages entirely. They've segregated the most of what would kill the growth rate in trial and error games by making each stage a single event.

    It isn't controversial to be wrong, but it is to be passive-aggressive and insistently right about your misconceptions. For a guy who's so passionate about video games he doesn't seem very informed about these things.
     
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    At long last there is a game that is well-liked by both Tumblrites and 4channers... and yet Dobson snarls at it for being too exclusive in its game style.
    The ultimate contrarian.
     
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    Of course he would complain about game aspects which require anything from his body, other than smashing buttons.

    And old school difficulty isn't necessarily artificial difficulty, some old school games just are hard (and subtle or just effectively used artificial difficulty isn't always a bad thing in any way).
    From what I've seen so far, Cuphead balances its "artificial difficulty" (bullet hell, memorization?) with how short the levels are. As to not become tedious, unless you don't learn from your failures.
     
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    I actually think that it's good that Cuphead only really requires memorization in order to beat it.
    It's challenging, but even if you're terrible at games, if you play the same level enough times, even you can still beat it.
    I consider that to be pretty inclusive. Not to mention, there's no rule that you have to beat the game as quickly as possible. You can just do one or two levels per day, and it's fine. No one cares if you take your time.
     
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    "Cheap unfair deaths"
    "Memorization is bad game design"
    "Artificial difficulty"

    Nice hot opinions you got there, DSP.

    I really like the artificial difficulty one. Artificial difficulty is increasing the HP/Damage of enemies so it feels like it's challenging. You wouldn't call Castlevania or Ninja Gaiden as having artificial difficulty.

    Funnily enough, all of Skyrim's enemies are copy+paste but with increased health and damage and a different suffix, but you don't see Dobbo complaining about the actual artificial difficulty in that.
     
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    Seems that Dobson can't seem to take any sort of challenge all the way. In both gaming and/or art.

    I wouldn't exactly say stronger copy/paste variants of enemies is really that artificial, since that happens all the time in RPGs and several action games. What would be more artifical would be like instant deaths from even the smallest little hazards, the lack of lives and/or health, etc.


    For instance, those many, many indie games that involve a crapton of instant death spikes is more of that... I'm talking games like I Wanna Be The Guy, VVVVV, 1001 Spikes, etc. Instant death spikes are really fucking cheap, and it's not reminiscent of the X-bit era terms of difficulty--which I think they were trying to emulate, but those old games were challenging for other reasons.

    The Mega Man games for instance didn't put death spikes in every single level. SMB1, CV1-3, Adventure Island, and many others had really stiff-ish controls. The original Zelda and Metroid games was really cryptic to play through without guides. Bomberman was all completely luck with timing. Even with these issues, these games were challenging and really satisfying to beat.
     
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    Actually it's its own genre called Rage games.
     
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    Except DSP managed to beat Cuphead.

    dobby is worse that DSP.
     
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    Yeah would make sense. These games are awful though.
     
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    I kinda sympathize with dobo a little bit on this one. First time I played Dark Souls I tried to ask for help and advice and all I got were insults and "git gud".
     
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    Game Guides do exist, you know.
     
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    I learn better by interacting with real people.
     
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    story of your life? :D
     
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    Sounds like you need to git gud.
     
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    Usually you get the worst tips from people who play the worst. That's why it's better to read some strategy guides or watch videos of people doing what you're trying to do, with those you'll also have proof of their skill level. Also helps you to specify what's your problem and when your question is built better you might get better answers.
    But Cuphead is really one of those games where it all comes down to "git gud", the bosses are relatively simple at their core (which isn't a bad thing and doesn't make them less challenging) so tips in general would be "be observant" "get your timing right", etc.
    With Dark Souls those tips apply and a lot of Dark souls is about learning from your mistakes, but you might need tips with building your character stats, enemy weaknesses, how to deal with less obvious attacks and how not to become capra demon's bitch for the fifth time.

    Because of his Cuphead "Cupman" whinings, some anti-SJW/GG/games related tumblrs have briefly talked about dobson, and I found this;
    "He’s afraid of Carnivale masks, and dumping pics of them is enough to keep him out of /co/ threads about him"
    Is this true?
     
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    To go along with Jerk said, one tip I would give is that if you're tired of dying so many times while trying to learn an enemy's attacks, then watch a video of someone fighting them. It really helps when you're trying to pay attention to warning signs of their attacks. I did this a bit with Salt and Sanctuary because getting back to the boss over and over again was more obnoxious than fighting them.

    Back to Dob. Recently he tweeted this:


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he constantly blew a fuse whenever someone tried to tell him how his characters should be established or interpreting them wrong?
     
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    You are part of the Dobson thread. Shame on you for not knowing.
     
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    upload_2017-10-10_15-1-28.
    dobby + civilized discussion, hmm.

    If there is even going to be a ComicGate, it's effects have started a long time ago. Marvel's pandering to SJ types has made it comic sales worse and they've received mainly negative critique from people who matter (aka actual readers), comic writers conspiring against critics have been exposed, and so.
    ComicGate would boil down to indie/smaller publishers and readers vs Marvel, a few SJ comics and people who don't actually read comics (if DC was to get involved they'd more likely use the commotion to mock Marvel or something). And Marvel has been losing footing for a long time already, while indie has been growing and things like general accessibility of internet, growdfunding and Patreon are only going to ensure indie will grow even more.

    Forgive me, I've never seen the mask thing taken advantage of :negative:
     
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    Keep your SJW bullshit out of Rick and Morty; there's enough there as is. Also way to get Rick out of character for your political statement. Despite being a complete ass Rick still follows logic, science, and reason like law. Appealing to feels is not something he does regularly unless it serves his ulterior motives.
     
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