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Discussion in 'DeviantART' started by HomsarSumo, Nov 30, 2013.

  1. onioneater

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  2. Maria M

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    I'd like to think that the 'ranking system' would have been taught WAY before day 34.
     
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    Clearly they're the 'slow kids' group and it took them 34 days to get to that lesson
     
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    >I think people are starting to respect me.
    What the fuck are you talking about, you dumb bitch? You've been riding on your sister's coattails this whole time.
     
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    I wish the days blurred together a little harder so we can hurry up and get past this load of shit
     
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    this stuff sounds familiar and I dont know why
     
  7. slimelurker

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    It sounds like every rpg ever.
    I wonder if the bully will be a captain of Kessah's group.
     
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    I don't know why but it reminded me of a dumb anime called Seraph of the End.
     
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    Maybe bully and Kessah are both the captains of their group. And Kessah saves him and kills some monster by herself but some of her team mates get killed so she is scolded anyway and then there's Kessah being emo.
     
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    I might be more interested with her struggling with losing people under her command.

    but naw, it won't be like that.
     
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    Close enough

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    [​IMG]
     
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    I wouldn't call going out every day with a high chance of you and/or your team possibly dying in horrible ways 'awesome', but alright
     
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    I cant believe it. only 8 chapters in and were finally going to reach the agonizing start towards beginning the actual hunting this comic is named after!
     
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  16. slimelurker

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    The actual hunting is probably going to be really underwhelming, like everything else in this comic.
     
  17. jerk

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    The saddest part about the comic is that it hasn't improved at all.
    It feels like more effort was put into the comic in the beginning, and nowadays it's more bland and stiff.
    The beginning is actually alright, imho, especially in comparison to what we have now.
     
  18. TheBookOfFaggot

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    Honestly, I think that's because it's trying to get somewhere but it's all misses starting from the monster attack. Some parts really shouldn't be here and/or shouldn't have been executed the way they did (ex. The other foxguy Fane... I think that was his name, the fight with the guild leader, and ofc being accepted among others when her was first entering). That and I miss that bone-onic arm dude now
     
  19. Maria M

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    Oh shit...I forgot this comic had retarded chocobo...
     
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    I think it's a common problem, that a lot of inexperienced/careless writers go through. They can often have strong beginnings, because of course the beginning is something that you devote a lot of time to thinking about. You want it to have impact, you want to introduce all these cool characters, possibly explain the lore in a fantasy/scifi setting. But then once you have the beginning down, all of a sudden there's that moment of "what do I do now?" They may have entertained thoughts of how they want it all to end, but have no idea how to get there.
    That's when the writing can suddenly fall drastically in quality, especially if the writer already started just based on their strong beginning, and the confidence they had based on it. They fumble and falter, desperately trying to come up with more material to fill their story out with, unable to give a lot of it the attention to detail and inventiveness they could offer the beginning and end.

    I myself have always found the middle of the story to be the toughest part to write, and have fallen victim on multiple occasions to fumbling through the middle of the story without any idea of how to make it interesting. It's only recently that I've been able to develop practices for myself to actually develop the middle of stories better and put them on a closer level with the beginning. Writing down ideas for things I want to happen as part of character or plot development, things that I think would be cool to include. And writing multiple drafts. So many drafts.
    That cyborg character of mine, I have so far written 33 drafts for, trying to develop her and find a decent story to tell with her. Drafts 1-30 all got scrapped for sucking. Draft #31 didn't get scrapped, technically, but I dropped it after a few pages because I could tell it was on the verge of sucking. It wasn't until draft #32 that I finally wrote something that vaguely satisfied me, and that draft I had to write entirely in bullet points to keep myself from getting too bogged down with details, and keep from distracting myself into writing something shitty again.
    Even so, it took me over a year to write the complete draft. Recently I was able to start draft #33, and start filling in a lot of details and write it normally, with #32 as my guide.

    But, understandably, there are a lot of people who aren't really willing to rewrite their story multiple times, let alone 32+. That's a lot of time and effort, and it can be disheartening when you have to scrap drafts because they aren't working. There were multiple times where I just wanted to give up on the character, and it felt like I had some sort of creative deficiency for struggling so much to come up with a satisfying story. After scrapping #30, I even had to completely redo the setting, start the world-building all over from scratch to find something that suited my needs better.
    It's tough, it takes time, and I think the sad truth is that a lot of people don't have the patience or will for that. Not even I would normally go to that much trouble for one story, but for some reason I found the character oddly entrancing, and simply couldn't give up trying to use her for something. In the end however, I'm grateful for it, as I think I've been able to build a much stronger story and much more 3-dimensional characters for all that trial and error. Hopefully this version of the story will survive for drafts #34, 35, and 36(the final draft, I have decided, if all goes well).

    Anyway, back to Joseco. I would never ask for him to write close to 40 drafts. But this all goes back to the one complaint that we keep voicing over and over, that he should've done more planning for this comic before posting pages for it. Even just 2 drafts would've gone a long way in allowing the story to grow and mature to the level of 'epicness' that I think Joseco wants to achieve. It also probably would've helped with the fast update schedule he wants to maintain, as then he wouldn't have to think of what to do next for each page.
    If he decides to take another hiatus soon, then I would advise him to use that time to do as much planning for the rest of the comic as he can. Give himself signposts to follow, make notes about how he wants the characters to develop, figure out what the story means to him and explore that. After 2 years, the comic isn't any more popular than when it launched, and barely anything has happened. He has basically nothing to lose by taking a break to improve the comic, and make future chapters more worth people's time to read.
    We all like to poke and make fun of him, but I think a lot of us here would really be happy to see him improve. And the only way he can do that is if he actually sets aside the time to do it.
     
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    My running theory was that it's JJ stalling for time because he doesn't know what he's writing. He knew what he wanted at the beginning, kind of, and probably has some ideas here and there for the end, but doesn't know how to get to them and has become far too comfortable pandering to the audience with filler, since it means he doesn't have to try and get to the plot.

    TL;DR: He's lazy and actively avoiding the plot because it's easier to post filler and obtain jew gold than to actually try thinking.
     
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    So we're going full on Naruto in terms of BS filler, then? Can't wait for the actual story to pick back up in a month
     
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    It's amazing that Kessah doesn't know what a maid is.
    Also, this probably means that we were all right, and her roommate ate shit.
     
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    Almost like nearly everything here is generic and predictable lol

    as for not knowing what a maid is, well, she did live all her life in a hut in a forest right...?

    I forget honestly, but yeah, she has been in training for however long now, shouldn't she have bumped into one at least once and heard mention of why they clean out rooms etc?
     
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    Also, the bear has been gone for month, to me it seems in facility like that (as it has been presented) people wouldn't just leave their dirty beddings there. They would have been replaced with clean ones when she left, by her or by maid. There wouldnt be need to change them now.

    If JJ had any interest in building world there could have been some combination of priest/spiritualist/mortician or so instead. Because of the setting, 'odd' culture, spiritualism and beliefs would make sense and someone could be there to clense the room or something like that. Kessah being confused would be understandable and she could be told about some customs.
     
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    It's like she fills that fish-out-of-water purpose for the audience, but it's on shit that should be either obvious or is just stupid lol
     
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    Sooo its been two years and what has the main character has accomplished?
     
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