ITS ALIVE (brain in a bucket)

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  1. Radha the Buttwhisperer

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    Article is alot of tldr but to a nerd like me is pretty neat.

    Basic premise is they were able to sorta bring back some function to pig brains, hours after the animals were slaughtered.

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    They haven't seen much electrical activity in the brain (a sign of actual restoration in the brain of function) but the head scientist claims it's because of all the blocking agents they're on to reduce swelling.

    Is it alive?

    Piggy Frankenbrain
     
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    Hopefully the current research into nicotinamide mononucleotide will prove fruitful so we don't have to start investing in less ethical methods of theoretical immortality.
     
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    One day we're all flying saucers with only our brains and synthetic nerves inside them. Injecting heroin into labrats and receiving the pleasure ourselves and ordering new lobes from ebay. While exchanging telepathic tweets about the latest superbowl match of two-legged dolphins and sharks ramming into each other.
     
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    https://sputniknews.com/us/201803141062532923-apace-travel-genes-mars-nasa-study

    Brain vats in space are the future if plans A, B, C, D and E don't work out.

    That's actually completely wrong. Genes and nutrition are (by far) the primary reasons for longevity on average.
     
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    Not according to the research:
    Genes play a huge role in disease and manifestation. But they aren't the primary reason for longevity. Nutrition and exercise has a far larger impact than genes.

    Hence why metformin n Acarbose are linked too. Both have roles in nutritional intake and energy production at a cellular level. Cellular death=organism death. Maintaince of heathy cells=healthy organism. Cellular damage (especially frequent repeated damage) creates unhealthy mutations via cellular repair. Hence cancer.

    Limiting nutritional intake (at a healthy lvl, not teen girl anorexia) reduces the chance for cellular damage (in theory) while still providing energy for cells.
     
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    The research is wrong. You can have the best body available and exercise everyday and still die at the age of fifty because of shitty genes and nutrition. Clearly, "maintenance" is secondary.

    Don't get me wrong, it's important in the sense that you need to "maintain" health but health itself is determined by genes and nutrition. I don't think we fundamentally disagree.
     
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    I don't totally disagree.

    However diseases that are the result of poor health Care practices (diabetes type 2, CAD from high chloresterol, certain cancers even) pack the biggest punch in many cases.

    Plus diseases we previously thought were only genetically linked, can be mitigated via things like lifestyle modifications (like how Omega 3 n socialization can slow the onset of Alzheimer's). This suggests that genes don't have the control over us that we previously thought.

    So again, yes genes do factor in but the things we can do to modify their effects in many cases win out.
     
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    Actual aging is almost exclusively determined by genes, nutrition and (apparently) gravity. What you're thinking of is random death. I agree that random death is important but it should be considered entirely secondary as far as research budget allocation and attention is concerned. Actual aging is the hard limit that needs to be overcome.
     
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    Yes but is what ur saying (stopping aging all together seems to be what you're suggesting) the answer to mankind?

    This sort of longevity we see as enviable are in active, happy, neurologically intact individuals.

    What if we stopped the aging of bodies n left someone with the brain of a turnip gibbering n pissing themselves with no release beyond daily Ativan doses in their vanilla pudding?

    Many of the diseases u call 'random death' actually nowadays don't completely kill a person. Think of a person with CAD who throws a clot n ends up with a massive stroke. Their bodies still alive. Genes are still good. But brain's fubar'd. That's not longevity. That's torture. They won't age, but hey hey, they won't do much else either.

    Hence why u need to consider the modifiable factors for longevity before u go at the genes. First line is treating the modifiable n research into that.
     
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    Btw the article u posted, didn't know that a gravity deprived environment could actually cause a change in telemores. Hmmmm.
     
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    Well when I think of stopping aging altogether I'm not really concerned with the average human who will inevitably drink or smoke or eat themselves to death. I'm more interested in exceptional individuals whose talents are worthy of preserving. Ideally, they wouldn't die but even if they did they would be cloned and possibly mass cloned depending on the demand.

    I think I mentioned on EDF that I'm in favour of some sort of theocracy. That's not for exceptional individuals but for the average human who's incapable of living without irrationality. We see what happens when humans abandon god, they embrace even more retarded ideas like socialism, fascism or liberalism. Which is a far greater detriment to mankind. It's the same sort of principle.

    I seem to recall that's it's been known for a while. Perhaps not the specifics but certainly the idea that you physically age slower in space. (It's been known for decades, I think.) Indeed, you also have the twin paradox.
     
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    That in turn would result in ultimately a homogeous n malformed generation of mutant inbred potatokin.
    Genetic deviations are what lead to useful evolutionary adaptations. With out that, you have a line that stagnants n creates it's own genetic dead ends (see any insular community as an example). Not to mention the fact that because clones don't have the mixing of two parent DNA it has been shown that they are actually less healthy than the organisms they were closed from.
    An EDF theocracy?! :eek: that sounds like the best worst idea ever!! Which demented shitposting asstard we crowning godking n whose gonna wear the funny pope hat?

    In all seriousness, despite being religious, I think the idea of a kingdom set up n ruled by ppl who claim to be gods emissaries on Earth is a terrible idea. It allows for bad acts to happen under the guise of 'huurduur, God told us it's ok!' And if we set science up as the god that rules, it makes it infinitely more cold n thankless.

    Let's face it Baya, if there were a theocracy n they wanted to call the herds n drain the genetic pool, you n I would be the first to face the firing squad. Me for my bleeding heart mudblood ways, you for being, well, you.
     
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    Stop humoring him. Baya's mix of diabetes and dementia enforces his views of Deusapien being real and shit.
     
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    That way it will know and perceive that I am eating it, and there's nothing it can do about it.
     
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    Exceptional individuals would only be bred for purpose. You don't need a billion da Vincis. BTW, when I speak of exceptional individuals I'm almost exclusively referring to polymaths. Very few people are polymaths and very few polymaths are truly needed. They also require a shitload of resources to maintain.

    And inbreeding is so unfathomably rare that you would need to try to inbreed to actually do it. It would be incredibly rare if humanity had a population of 7,000,000 let alone 7,000,000,000.

    That's not a theocracy. A theocracy, a proper one, would have clergy as the rulers and the bureaucrats. This is in fact a fantastic idea because not only do these types of government have a fantastic track record relative to their contemporaries but you eliminate the redundancy that is religion by putting clergy to good use. Otherwise all you're doing is wasting resources by giving existential comfort to irrational, superstitious fools such as yourself. (No offense.) Which, as you can gather from my tone, I don't think this is the best allocation of resources. You'd also let them handle all welfare which they have hundreds if not thousands of years of experience with.

    So basically there's every reason to combine government and religion and zero reason not to. We already have politicians telling us that censoring slight differences of opinion, turning kids into trannies, women aborting their children, eliminating indigenous Europeans, etc is the ultimate good. You don't lose anything.

    I'm sorry but in what reality are you living in right now? We have retards in power right now. Instead of drawing from absolute morality, they draw from... relative morality. So basically we have all the negative effects that come with theocracy and none of the benefits.

    People are getting killed, Radha. Over a million white children have been raped by shitskins in England alone. And nobody's allowed to complain about it or they lose their livelihood and are completely shunned by the wider society. They might even get arrested and killed in prison depending on the country. What's a alternative? The absolute worst? Religious minorities are exiled? A few hundred cat ladies and sodomites are burnt alive every couple of years? Wow, that's so dreadful. It's far better to have the current state of affairs.

    I imagine there will always be a place for less skilled materialists in the technocracy. Janitors, mechanics, etc. I'd have zero issue living under either the theocracy or the technocracy. Depending on the demographic makeup of either, I might chose one over the other but I'm making the assumption that they're both ethnically homogeneous as every nation should be.

    Over time, those prone to materialism in the theocracy are sent to the technocracy and those prone to anti-materialism in the technocracy are sent to the theocracy. Imagine if all the rabid, fanatic SJ cultists are simply sent away to be ruled over by clergy and all the secularists, atheists, etc are sent to the technocracy. Everybody wins because everybody gets what they truly desire.
     
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    I understand that Latinos such as yourself have a problem with abstract thinking so I don't hold it against you.
     
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    What you're talking about (forced breeding programs) actually destroys the chances of exceptional individuals developing by removing the things that create them environmentally: competition, human emotions and desire. This is leading back to your theory that genes trump everything else in the lottery o life.

    Plus ppl born n raised in a cold n clinical environment like that end up with srsly maladaptive personality traits, mostly on the schizoid/schizotypal spectrum, due to lack of meaniful bonds.

    Lol wat? The only ones I can think of that are still functioning are those in the Mideast, and by functioning I mean in the barest fashion. Theocracy n absolutism leads to stagnation. Because those systems are unable to adapt.
    Thought you liked Trump. You are very tough to please. Keep those standards tho.
    Humans are incapable themselves of absolute morality due to our sense of self preservation n own selfish desires. Even in a theocracy those in power would not be capable to suspend those urges totally or consistently enough to be just rulers. History has proven this with every theocracy that has existed.
    You n I would be machine gunned down for the same reasons but different motivations: our inability to STFU. I'd be weeping n interfering trying to save all the lost lambies. You would chafe under the ponderous weight of the Godkings dick n be unable to suppress ur own egotism. It's telling though that you hold those who work blue collar jobs in low regard, even in this fantasy.

    You prolly think you'd get in at the ground floor n be Grand Pooba Rae after they recognized ur superior brains right?
    That flies in the face of your previous model tho, because in order for that theocratic model to work, we'd have to accept the righteous rule of the theocracy unquestioning, and never challenge or resist it. But that sort of system leads to those who need to be challenged or take risks being incredibly unhappy.

    And challenges/dissatisfaction are actually positive things because it drives ppl to make changes n try something new or solve a problem in a new way.

    If no one ever slipped a finger in the back while hitting it from the front... Challenges man, challenges.

    Lol I should, but it's fun to watch the deep long freefall into the rabbit hole of rancid ham scented hipocripsy n hippo rage.

    Plus if u watch closely, u can see where the effects of being raised by a neurotic Jewish mother shines thru.

    This isn't abstract thinking, this is your masturbatory fantasy of Godkings n clones.

    Some of ur theorectical science isn't too far off base. But the application is wrong. And genes vs the environmental molding argument applies here too. More n more we see the ability to modify n adapt to an environment is more useful than just having good genes. Resilience.
     
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    Never trust a wizard.
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    They scream out in the nite.

    This is Bayas wizard.
     
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    1) Obviously a theocracy would be a Christian theocracy. I know that lesser minds think that all religions and cultures are the same but that's simply not the case.

    2) I agree that theocracies are stagnant which is why you'd have a parallel technocracy. Which would be unstable. Which is why you have a parallel theocracy.

    3) The point of absolute morality vs relative morality is that there's a set of rules to live by that don't get changed every couple of years. We live in an age of witch hunts where the principles being are being condemned are constantly changing. Not that the original principles were any good to begin with but it keeps getting worse.

    4) I keep my mouth shut IRL so I'd have zero problem. Anyway, I'd only have to lie 5% of the time and it'd be about pointless crap. Also, despite what you think religions do have to follow their divine rules at least systematically. That's why the Pope can mouth off retarded shit but has changed zero laws thus far. That's because he'd be removed from office if he tried to implement any of his pozzed crap.

    5) The only reason you'd challenge a Christian theocracy is if you're a subversive or degenerate. As you might have figured, I'm very much against both types.

    6) I'm not a polymath so no, I wouldn't gain any benefit. If, indeed, being treated like a highly valuable slave is a benefit. In fact I don't gain anything from either system. I advocate it because I genuinely believe it would be better for my people than the current. Though, to be fair, I don't gain anything from the current system either.

    7) You say that if a person isn't raised a certain way then they won't turn out right then you go on to say that humans are resilient. You talk out both sides of your mouth yet you accuse me of being Jewish. Do you have a kippah in your family tree, whore?

    8) Genes do trump everything, you fucking mongoloid.
     
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    1. Christians are called to be in the world but not of it, and working towards God's kingdom in the next life, because this world is transitory n impermenate. Therefore, a ''christian" theocracy would be counter to the ideals taught by Christ, who came not as a conquring king but sacrificial lamb, and Christians are called to be christlike. Rulers in this life can be strong and still Godly, but a theocracy would still be an affront to Christ's teachings and ultimately fall into the sins of self righteousness n hipocripsy. See the track record of the Catholic Church for reference.

    2. That sounds like the plot of a warhammer 40k novel. And not feasible even then. See Horus Heresy.

    3. There are certain rules that don't get changed in society however, see: murder still being a very heavy crime.

    4. In a theocracy or technocracy, a place like this wouldn't exist, because places like this don't fit into the cookie cutter status quo that those systems need to maintain. The fact that you come here n do express such strong n rigid opinions suggests to me that if you didn't have this place as an outlet for your dissatisifaction you'd become the unibomber. And while I think you suppose you'd have nothing to complain about in a theocracy, what if you did? There are things that run very counter to your ideals in Christianity, what would happen if you were expected to suspend those ideals by the government and didn't have an outlet for your unhappiness? See: thought police.

    5. Christians are called to continously hold their rulers to high standards n challenge their actions, the old and new testament is full of men and women who called Godly rulers to task for their actions. Nathan with David, the prophets with Hezikiah, etc. See: measure all things to see of they are good.

    6. So you advocate a system that does the thinking for people, instead of giving them the ability and structure to think on their own and act appropriately, and hold them responsible for their actions? See: infantilism.

    7. Those traits that may manifest due to poor upbringing can undone with proper treatment, if the client is willing and understands they are harmful. That's part of the resilience of humanity. But you should stack the deck from the start with harmful traits being allowed to develope, because lol we can fix that later!

    Idk what a Kippah is, Rabbi Rae but call me a whore again and I won't carry you around during that chair dance thingy you guys do.

    8. No they don't you cheese scented brisket barrel.
     
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    :eek: @Baya Rae 4900 found Jesus..
    Goddamn it Baya u couldnt find the Jesus that preaches introspection n love for your enemies. No u found the one that wants to do fag drags n burn bitches for hearing voices.


    You need to go back catechism n listen to the Padre a bit more. Christians are called to be in the world but not of it.

    Humanity's goals of self preservation, though not wholly evil, are often contrary to Christ's teachings.
    See: Luke 17:33.

    Btw all the things you're railing against (abortion, lack of cold n clinical advancement) do not fit into either system.

    Now. Can we put ur brain in a bucket?
     
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    To quote a prominent Buddhist: You can be full of kindness and love but you cannot sleep next to a mad dog.

    There's no issue here. Faith is inherently irrational. I'm a rational person. Faith isn't for me. It does nothing for me. It's for the other 90%+ of my people who cannot live without this particular irrationality.

    Also, I've always been against abortion per se. I've rationalised it as a form of eugenics (which I've always been in favour of) and I'm completely against the idea of women being allowed to choose whether they should get an abortion. The idea that something as innately irrational as a woman can objectively decide whether to terminate life is ridiculous and an insult to everybody's intelligence. But it's legal and we have to live with it. I will forever look down on those that have killed their own children as creatures to be reviled and will always think that them not breeding is probably for the best.
     
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    The loving of your enemies doesn't come without risks, and even then, sometimes the most compassionate thing you can do for an evil person is push them away so they can face the solitude of their acts and make the decision to change or not.

    You're rational yet you call for irrational acts.

    And your controlling ego is showing again. Nigga you need Jesus almost as much as me, and not just for his tacos.

    The death of a child is always a tragedy. Abortion is never a choice to be entered into lightly and always heartbreaking for those involved. Whether or not it's a damnable sin depends on the denomination you follow. It is, imo, the product of a broken world. I won't push my beliefs regarding it either way onto someone else whose got to make that decision.

    They and only they (man and woman) can make the right decision with their healthcare providers advice.

    But if some nasty ho wants to repeatedly vaccuum out her festering gooch after taking every dick on the block to feed her habit, well, go to it Chastaine. And hey, when she's done, she's gonna be feeling real vunerable, so u might even have a chance :D
     
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    Thanks for proving my point about women, Radha.