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    Was reading an old theory book, and at part III Chapter VIII Fascism this:

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    *From Benito Mussolini, The political and Social Doctrine of Fascism (1932; English Translation, The Hogarth Press, 1933)
     
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    Nobody believes in democracy. They all see it as a means to their stupid and/or selfish ends. Think about that for a second.
     
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    Selfish is a word invented for a delusional reality. The rationalist/reason man you refer to doesn't exist, man is neither rational in his behavior nor is there any evidence that logic is nothing more than a neurological function developed to deal with the reality around us and is therefore neither transcendent nor absolute, making reason nothing more than the alchemy of the mind. Altruism is not possible semantically, but there's nothing to stop it's neurological reality. That the majority of people are assholes worthy of death is of little consideration in this equation.
     
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    And yet there have been tens of millions of people throughout history who've died for something. Indeed, one can't exactly die for themselves, can they? That particular equation doesn't make a lick of sense.
     
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    I recently spoke with a friend and found that she disappointingly abandoned free market principles to some sort of hippy faith socialism. She even believes the average Muslim wants nothing more than to not have the Caliphates legislating their lives (despite their constant show of electoral support of the Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere).

    The problem with fascism is that it bleeds into socialism. With absolute state control, corporations infect the government and invade the private sector. Once the private sector has a stake in political business as they do in the US, shit is done. The biggest and the best (i.e. Walmart, Pepsi, etc.) buy out the lawmakers and live in security while encouraging the pissants to "rebel" and give more power to politicians who they already own and therefore will possess themselves.

    It's only in government controlled entities where corporations gain the strength to force us all into bargains which we wouldn't pick on our own (TSA). Economic liberty ends up having a lot to do with social liberty. Fascism is essentially socialism as excessive social control will bleed into excessive economic control.

    It is the duty of the individual citizen to look after the individual citizen. There is no vested interest in some capital-h-humanity. There is a capital interest in me and my decisions which often involve protecting other people I value through daily decisions rather than some oppressive and overarching system.
     
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    That is exactly what we did when we created corporations: legal autocratic mercenary bureaucracies


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    This problem is best delt with on a local level.

    No it does not. Social liberty without the means to support oneself amounts to a situation where freedmen are worse off than slaves.

    Considering that the vast majority of our daily lives is run by no more men that can seat a boardroom, men whom we've never met, who have never set foot in our communities and could not give two dead rat shits what happens there. How is that not excessive social control over economic activities, because it is run by unelected petty caesars? Multinational Corporations have become independent states with no loyalty.
     
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    You have a distorted idea of how much a person(or a few hundred million)'s life can actually be controlled.
     
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    Socialism is not a good alternative, either.
     
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    Wish hitler was back to show you pussy bitches how it's done. I will take nazi controlled land over NWO any day:less Jews and better living conditions
     
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    The Nazis' plans would have weakened the human race. Genetic diversity keeps the human race strong, not weak.
     
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    Even if Hitler didn't shoot himself he would've been sentenced to death anyway because he was way too dangerous to keep around regardless.
     
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    So you would have even more retards and general trash like we have today, not to mention crippling overpopulation? Fewer, but strong, like the nature intended is the best long term solution. Let's face it retards and cripples only eat up our money and resources and give nothing back, one big anchor for humanity.
     
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    By who exactly? Obviously by the allies when the won, duh, but if the nazis won it's doubtfull. Many people looked at him as if he was a god, until they started losing. Considering that he was a dictator with his own personal army with people having no say about it makes it that much more doubtfull
     
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    The natural process of civilization creates an environment of struggle. Consumerist capitalism is on its way out which will make many labor redundant; climate change is going to kill off a great portion of the globe; nuclear fallout; and civil wars is what makes humanity strong. Change is coming and only the strongest will survive.
     
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    Are you telling me that retards and cripples make the human race stronger somehow? In nazi Germany, only strongest survived anyways, so I don't know what you're on about
     
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    I said nothing of the sort, in fact I suggested the opposite due to the evolutionary struggle that is the conflict that is life. It seems like you are just one of those "skin head" fucks who is on the internet. Your kind are a disappointment to the legacy of fascist thinking.

     
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    You're understanding of modern evolutionary theory is laughable. There is no such thing as weak or strong, the thing in question weakness or strength is entirely dependent on environment. Your going with an antediluvian 1950s eugenics theory that is based of a linear conception of evolution and genetics that stems from a corrupt understanding of underground apocalyptic writings and it's beginning and end progressive conception of humanity. The more genetically diverse a species is the greater the chance for adaptive mutation. Because mutations are unpredictable we cannot "plan" as Hitler did a perfect race as any strength is merely a strength in relation with a particular environmental factor. In order to keep the human race strong we have to be adaptable towards an unpredictable future and its environments and that necessarily includes keeping members that are weak in relation to the world today in order to be better equipped for the world tomorrow. A desert dwelling plant or animal will do poorly in a swamp and vice versa. Stop watching badly written scifi and then attempting to apply it to political ideologies and programs.
     
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    We'll never know now, but I'm pretty sure that the allies of Europe would've made some court or the UN. Or just some pissed off jew who would come along and blow his brains out (considering there were a jewish people who actually rose up against germany). Maybe even germany itself, look what happened to Osama Bin Laden, they said they wanted to take him alive but I don't really know if I believe that.

    Make no mistake that this guy killed a lot of people in very horrible ways, and the victims would probably be more than willing to tear him apart by hand if given the chance to. So it could've been by an international court (although I'm sure you hate the idea of anything 'international' I'm just speaking the likely hood of what would have happened.
     
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    We would have killed his ass lol. Don't doubt that. He was a pathetic coward because he became an hero instead of standing up and protecting the men who served under him by taking as much of the blame as possible. Instead he didn't want to go through the humiliation such a sacrifice would entail and he took the cowards way out shaming himself to this day.
     
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    The only negative thing, imo, about fascist thought, is that for it to work, you really have to drink the kool-aid. Considering that, Enrico Corradini's arguments are brilliant and are still relevant today as they were first made 100 years ago.
     
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    Do you both believe that if hitler won, the humanity would stop evolving? People would face the same hardships as they do today, alas with less trash around. You're not going to tell me that a boy with downs syndrome is helping the humanity adapt and thrive. The point is moot anyways, as humans are deevolving as we speak. All sorts of freak and"disorders" are on the rise. In hitler's society, only the strongest survive as those who aren't were taken away. Long term would possibly what we have today, still more retards and others, but that is because humans are slowly deevolving. You are both wron, as in the current, civilized way of life there is no further evolution. We have everything we need, what we don't we make. This is where humanity stops until we go back In the caves.
     
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    The greatest gift the Nazis gave humanity was not Skinhead white power retards and neat cosplay but the stigma, the false distaste of truly grand and noble ideas. You see in this way ideas, like Fascism, get disregarded by humanity as evil Nazi crap, while the world plays with and fights over weaker ideologies until they fail, collapse. I call this the Reich's Razor: Cutting away the false separation of "Left" and "Right", "Liberal" and "Conservative" so that humanity is presented with a clear view of the Middle Way, as a whole shed the skin of inferior ideas and embrace human evolution together (In Space!)

    You see the Final Solution is not killing the Jews/Niggers/Gypsies/ ect. but rather their culture, their ideas. To burn the fields of our collective unconscious so that a new, more productive crop can be planted.
     
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    I thought that the Nazi's greatest gift for humanity was the anti-smoking movement and Volkswagen beetles?
     
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    Did you write this?
     
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    The fuck you say?!
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    Yup
     
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    I will.
    Genetic ailments force us to look at ourselves, to search for causes, early detection, treatment and prevention. The things we have discovered and the implementation of those discoveries in this endeavor
    already literally fills volumes of books (You should look into 'books' they are neat, Google it)

    In the long run Chris Chan and his ilk will have done more for humanity by just existing then you could hope to strive for.

    Prove it. Just one legitimate study that shows us retrograding as a species.

    Better yet define devolution in your own words, plz.
    Can I be wron?

    Lol, your cute.
     
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    If Hitler had beaten russia he would have enacted holocaust 2.0 against the slavs, who arguably he hated much more than the jews. Russia was key in his plan of "Lebensraum" where he would emulate the US and exterminate the slavic populations and then "pioneer" the land which possessed key oilfields of which germany was sorely lacking and without which could not realize it's dream of achieving global superpower. The extermination of the Jews and undesirables was really just a national experiment on extermination the results of which would then be used against Russia. The eugenics ideology was supported mainly for national goals developed along "realpolitick" guidelines. If necessary they would have raised chris-chan to the status of Ubermensch if it got them closer to russia's oil. His ultimate plan was to level Moscow and turn it into a giant lake to provide hydroelectric power for the german people (lol wut) then work the population of russia to death as slaves in extermination/labor camps as an attempt to emulate the colonization of North America. The reality is that the US had all the genocidal work done for them by two massive plagues equal to the black death brought upon the new world (this is mainly because the native americans didn't practice animal domestication on the scale of the Europeans, most of the STDs and diseases, partly due to sexual intercourse and the resulting exchange of bodily fluids which leads to a much higher rate of inter-species viral jumps which is another reason I fully support furiescution), the first being from Lief Erikson and the second from the new world explorers that annihilated the native americans before the Europeans managed to get even the tiniest foothold. Without the accidental plagues unleashed upon the new worlds colonization would not have been possible. Hitler would have failed miserably and been bogged down as wiping out hundreds of millions of healthy people on their own territory is nowhere near like wiping out a passive miniscule minority on your own fucking turf. The fact that you are fully buying into propaganda that Hitler and his cohorts half-heartily bought into themselves shows your suitability for the gas-chamber.

    GTFO, go home, do your fucking homework because right now your troll attempts are stale, boring, regurgitated shit that can be garnered from an elementary textbook or 15 minutes of wikipedia. Learn your shit and develop something that remotely resembles an original position and THEN attempt to /b/ the troll you want to /b/, /b/cause currently as Hitlertroll you royally suck ass.
     
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