Economic rules.

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  1. Baya Rae 4900

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    If there is a greater supply than demand then the price will go down. If there is a greater demand than supply then the price will go up. If the government taxes then there will be less. If the government subsidises then there will be more.
     
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    We all learned that, in high school.
     
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    Unless companies stock, and unless monopoly tricks

    Unless fixed prices by goverment/state/etc

    less and more what? production? Not always

    Your simplistic theories always assume perfectly free markets and perfectly reasonable behaviors from producers and consumers

    It's not so easy
     
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    I really don't think you did. America and Europe wouldn't be in the current crisis if you did.

    If companies release more stock onto the market then the price will go down, unless it's matched by the demand. Unless you can give me a historic example that shows otherwise.

    Natural monopolies simply don't exist because it's far too easy to undercut them. Once they're undercut, they're no longer monopolies.

    If there is price fixing then there'll be a shortage. On the black market, the true market, the price will sky-rocket. Just because bureaucrats wish it so doesn't make it so.

    Give me a historic example of when taxes led to more and subsidies to less, please.
     
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    In the last 50-100 years, all Economics students have been feed that.
    It haven't made any difference in order to avoid the multiple economic crisis

    But if they don't, which was my point, and the point of stocking to manipulate the prices, that wouldn't happen

    Who is talking about natural monopolies? I'm not...obviously

    Not always
    Example: In my country, bread, sugar, milk, etc...top price was fixed some years ago (2008), and there was no shortage

    again, more or less what?
     
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    thank you Snorlax... no one knows high school economy like you.
     
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    I don't think they have. I think they've been fed Keynesian or Marxist economics. I don't think any of them believe in the fundamental rules. I believe they think they can change the rules simply by willing it so.

    I don't understand what you're saying. If there are less stocks than demanded then the price will rise and if there are more stock than people demand then the price will go down. It follows the same rule.

    Well the only unnatural monopolies are those established and maintained by the government. Again, they don't really exist because of the presence of the black market.

    Because the government is subsidising them.

    Anything. Source, please.

    Considering how utterly retarded your so-called leaders are, I think it would be good to understand the basics. Because they lack even that understanding.
     
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    i'm jewish.
    i know money.
     
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    You know how to horde money. That's not "knowing" money.
     
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    Then open a school and teach people economics and the ancient israelian art of budgeting known as Jew-jitsu!!
    Do it moneybags faggot!

    Btw, with Apple Supply probably more than fucking likely meets demand, and has for a long time, but they still prefer to charge 900 dollsrs per phone, so they get more than half the total cost as profit.
     
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    Yes, Americans are far too stupid to be proper capitalists. I can understand why they want to have everything "bailed out."
     
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    Let's keep taxing jobs! So that we can keep complaining about how we cannot get them!!
     
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    The reason that people are poor, is because they have no money.

    And because they're black.
     
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    If you give a poor person 1 million dollars, he or she will be flat ass broke within a week.
     
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    If you budget you can save more then you spend even with a minimum wage, and still have a standard of living.
    People these days equate luxuries like Xbox snd sail-fones cable tv and netflix with necessities, and justnhaving the bssic REAL needs as fulfilled as "poverty"
    BULLSHIT, all you need is FOOD WATER and SHELTER but most people have TV's these days wnd it's free to air, you'd be hard pressed to find people and houses without TV, in real poverty. Real poverty stricken people often DON'T even know what a fuckin TV is!!!!
     
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    I'm saying that is possible to "accumulate without putting it on the market" production, or to reduce it, in order to artificially maintain the prices high

    Not always true. Paradigmatic example, diamonds

    And they are a good example too about trick-stocking, see point above

    Not at all, at least in the examples I put on the table

    Anything? So subsides increase the amount of love, and taxes reduce ruled34's Mudkips?

    Generalizations so broad deserve retarded retorts, I'm afraid

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    Anyways, arguing about economics is like doing so about religion...totally pointless

    Audition for head of IMF, plx, we truly need you to fix the global economy in a couple of master strokes
     
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    How's that artificial? Simply because something's produced or gathered doesn't mean it magically becomes available to the market. In most cases that which is being produced/gathered is given directly to those who have pre-ordered it.

    If you're refering to hoarding or speculating then know that it implies, by definition, that not all of the product is being sold on the market. This rule only applies to items being sold, not items in private possession. I would've expected everybody to know that. I guess not everybody knows "the basics" after all.

    I don't know what that is. Do you mean fraud?

    American farmers are subsidized by the government, though. Quite extensively, I might add.

    The immaterial can't be economized because they are, by definition, infinite.

    But let's play this game, as it's an interesting thought. If you keep buying somebody possessions which increases their "love" for you, does their overall respect for you increase over time or reduce?
     
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    vat?

    Almost nothing of global production is pre-ordered by consumers

    In which world do you live, mate?

    So your "universal rules" only applies in some cases. The ones that suit your kindergarten theories. Neat.

    And companies hoarding production to manipulate markets is no "private possession", btw

    Nobody can tell. The variables are countless

    And that's my point

    Even in simple systems with very few rules, you can get extremely complex behavior

    Example
    ("...provides an example of emergence and self-organization. It is interesting for...economist... and others to observe the way that complex patterns can emerge from the implementation of very simple rules.")

    And each economy is certainly a system with hundreds if not thousand of interacting "rules", not a straightforward one

    Furthermore, there are plenty of different economies, one for each state, for startes...and they interact in an astoundingly intrincated way

    And also interact with political/social issues

    And furthermore, that "rules of behavior" most of times aren't based on logic, but emotion

    Bottom line is, economy (global or local) is a chaotic system almost totally unpredictable/unmanageable

    History proves that.

    So if you come here trying to reduce all that shit to a couple of simple rules...sorry, but it's pretty laughable, my friend
     
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    Do you have any idea how inefficient the world would be if people had to put every piece of raw material (or whatever) they gather on sale every time they gather it? And retailers do pre-order their wares. Just as the manufacturers pre-order what they need from raw material suppliers. Otherwise there would be shortages and people would buy elsewhere.

    To put it in words you can understand: If something is in a warehouse then it's not in the marketplace.

    Yeah, it is. They spent time and money to make it or buy it outright. By all logic is belongs to them. Ergo they posses it. It's legally theirs.

    I'm sorry but can you provide a historic example that refutes any of the rules?
     
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    So you believe Exxon extracts oil on pre-order?
    And Roche makes Valium on pre-order?
    And Toyota makes cars on pre-order?

    etc, etc

    Very retarded

    And your point is?
    That control of supply don't affect markets, nor prices?
    Delaying the disponibility of led lamps don't influence price of lightbulbs?

    Even more retarded

    Corporate/company possesion is not the same as private possession, dumbass

    My God, man, are you trolling or just trying to attain world retard record?

    Already provided several examples on first post on this very page, which you conveniently ignored

    This conversation is starting to feel like the ones with CW94. Not in the mood anymore. Reclaim your win if you want, I'm out.
     
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    Clearly you've got PMS because you haven't read a word of what I wrote, you're just repeating your previous bullshit. Go ahead and lie to yourself, if you want. All you're doing is serving me unknowingly.
     
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