Creationist or Evolutionist?

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Creationist or Evolutionist?

  1. Young Earth Creationist

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    6.7%
  2. Old Earth Creationist

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  3. Theistic Evolutionist/Progessive Creationist

    6 vote(s)
    20.0%
  4. Reformed (Deist/Moral/Anti-Eugenics) Evolutionist

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    10.0%
  5. Darwinian Evolutionist

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    63.3%
  1. Beefcake

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    I know, but the creationists like to tell everyone that going from inorganic compounds to organic ones is impossible, when this has already been proven to be possible in the 50's.

    And the whole "what are the odds for something like that to just happen by accident" argument breaks down completely when you look at the universe and take into account that there are an estimated 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars there. So yeah, the odds are pretty damn huge for something like this to happen purely by accident.
     
  2. CallMeMaggot

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    Yep, like organic chemistry was somewhat magical or something

    Well, even taking in account panspermic possibilites, most of those have of no possible relationship with us, given the distances involved...but then we have to take in account the roughly 13 M years of lab time...and then again:

    Really, we haven't fucking idea about how we can even start to calculate the odds
     
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    I'd say random chance is more probable than a couple of bronze age lunatics making a correct guess about a space wizard.
     
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    What we should do is send a robot into space which will broadcast "And nothing of value was lost," in case Humanity becomes extinct. That way we have all our bases covered.
     
  5. CallMeMaggot

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    all those that belong to us?

    Sundays: bad jokes

    Wednesdays: old memes

    the rest: unassorted faggotry

    We have an eschedule here
     
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    queerationists and gaytheists are both cocksucking homosexual fuckers that secretly fantasise about fucking eachother's ass all night long

    at least that what it seems like with the amount of sexual tension in these gay ass theosophical debates, why else would you faggots bother spending so much time arguing on the internet about stupid shit unless you get a massive raging boner out of it
     
  7. CallMeMaggot

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    who denies it?

    better than NO U :efriends:
     
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  9. GSTalbert1

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    Well rather you destroyed a school of thought, or at least Stephen Jay Gould.
     
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    Thats the funny thing about evolution isn't it? Its not just a slow progressive and gradual process that takes millions upon millions of years to have any drastic change in a species or life, it really seems to go through starts and fits with large diversification happening in really REALLY short spans of time ( even when comparing it on a geological time scale) followed by platue periods with very slow or little changes in organisms and specification.
     
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    Well duh, when reductionist materialism ceases to be useful in any line of questioning you always have a bunch of fucks autistically head bagging at the end.
    And thanks for the book suggestion, I just downloaded it.
     
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    I agree that that's a much greater calling. To shatter a people's world view would probably be more entertaining than adding another layer of bullshit to a school's curriculum, anyway.
     
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    You have to look at the source he was paraphrasing which was Paul. He was referring to the instinct of faith essentially "religion" which, irregardless of it's flaws, isn't a choice, and that it drives us to worship something whether we like it or not; be it God or hookers and blow. He opinioned that without that science is lame and lacks it's drive to do anything and without the tools of science faith leaves us blind.
     
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    I think you'll like it...I don't agree with all that Laughlin says, but it's pretty interesting nonetheless
     
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    I like Laughlin, he's smart enough to challenge intellectual property rights but not stupid enough not to copyrite his shit.
     
  17. CallMeMaggot

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    Lol, Nobel Prize smarteness level in fact
     
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    Alright. Thanks for the update.
     
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    You know what?
    You are so fucking welcome!
     
  20. BeardBrain

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    I'll do my best, bro.

    The Second Law can be explained in many different ways, for example:
    1. That the entropy of the universe tends towards a maximum (in simple terms, entropy is a measure of disorder)
    2. Usable energy is running out
    3. Information tends to get scrambled.
    4. Order tends towards disorder.
    5. That a random jumble won’t organize itself.

    The law also depends on the type of system, for example:
    1. An isolated system exchanges neither matter nor energy with its surroundings. The complete (or total) entropy of an isolated system never decreases. The universe is an isolated system, so is running down.
    2. A closed system exchanges energy but not matter with its surroundings. In this case, the Second Law is stated such that the total entropy of the system and surroundings never decreases.
    3. An open system exchanges both matter and energy with its surroundings. One fallacy is that many evolutionists make is their claim that the Second Law doesn’t apply to open systems.
     
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    First, one clarification

    5a There are a lot of auto-organizative systems. Life is a big one. Cristalization is another.
    Locally speaking, there are a lot of systems which decrease their entropy.

    But the big question is: Nice list of definitions but...How in the fucking fuck all that justifies Young Creationism?

    I think what you are trying to say is that given point 5a, all the organized systems we see must come from some powerfull Wizard...

    But that has two big problems. First, as i already said, point 5a is simply not true. And second, we have the delicate question of how a powerful wizard can come to being if random jumble can't organize itself...
     
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    I know thermodynamics. None of this actually gives any credence to young earth creationism, one of the most retarded, anti-scientific bullshit beliefs out there.

    Congratulations, you're either a pretty good troll, or completely retarded.
     
  23. BeardBrain

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    Nice ad hominems bro. You must be a professional.
     
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    Darwinian Evolutionist FTW
     
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    Appealing to the Laws of Thermodynamics is a pretty common Creationist line of bullshit. I'm surprised you guys didn't recognize that right away.
     
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    I'm going with a Schrodinger's God option.
     
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    Though a Darwinist by heart, I feel that there has been some external influence to our DNA that has evolved us into the self-destructive monsters that we are. :3
     
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    Darwin Evolutionist. Anyone who is interested in the role of creationism vs. evolution in public education should read "Only a Theory" by Kenneth Miller. Dr. Miller is a biology professor at Brown University who is also active in his church, so it provides a very unique look on why evolution should be more widely accepted.
     
  30. BeardBrain

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    I read a review of the book a couple of months ago. Here.