Britain is turning to private law enforcement.

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  1. Rodion

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    No shit if you back to America's inception, but you're really going to count the founding fathers very importation as slaves as the moment a conspiracy to make america diverse? America was open to mostly millions of European imports and your source doesn't even go over white to non white ratio which only an autist would make a point an only cop out with the source as a bland wiki about US population growth since inception you lazy cow.
     
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    this isn't a thing they revealed about the honest hard-working american scientists
     
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    Rockefeller made his fortune mainly selling fuel oil, not gasoline IIRC.
     
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  6. Baya Rae 4900

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    I was being hyperbolic to piss off Hater. My point completely stands: Nothing necessary (like trains or horses) ran on oil. People could simply not purchase the oil if nothing else. Likewise, people could simply not have purchased anything produced by Microsoft during its dominance of the market. Technological redundancy makes these monopolies unable to be maintained. At the absolute worst, it stems technological standardisation.

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    Talking about tech, do you know any alternative to cars other than horses? I'd like to live without one, but caring for a horse is a pain in the ass, so I doubt it would be worth it.
    When it comes to oil's importance, The Long Emergency is a pretty good book about it.
     
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    I almost forgot: If oil had become prohibitively expensive then we would've seen the rise of the Stirling engine, wind power, steam power, etc. Which actually would've been better for humanity in the long term. We're too reliant on this single source of fuel and (in many cases) power because it's always been way too cheap.

    As an individual? A bike. A hand drawn cart. A handcar. Woodgas vehicle. As a society? Steam and woodgas powered trains and trucks. A million different things. Look them up yourself.
     
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    The wikipedia link doesn't have those demographic statistics you are trying to claim are you in a diabetic coma or didn't you read my post?
    the wiki is america 1776-today and you're talking about 1930 you only trigger people by being incredibly stubborn in willfully ignoring the other person's actual point IE acting retarded.
     
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    From what I gather Baya is making a point in which it's low hanging fruit the DemonRats/Progressives/Socialists/Communists like to politically pick just for votes. He's not wrong.
     
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    Making it artificially expensive as they do in Europe through taxes has not reduced its importance or their reliance on it.

    We're reliant on petrol because it's a really good fuel. It's stable, compact and energy dense. Only thing which really comes close is coal. Coal is bulky and there is really no practical way to automatically deliver the fuel to the combustion chamber without it taking an enormous amount of room. IB4 you suggest "liquefied coal" or "suspended coal," coal crushed and suspended in a fluid in order to deliver it to the combustion chamber, it has shown which it's not practical, or reliable.

    Furthermore, considering how spoiled modern life has made the west, is anyone really going to wait 10-20 minutes before going anywhere so you can reach sufficient boiler pressure? [​IMG]
     
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  14. Baya Rae 4900

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    Steam power, wind power and Stirling engines for static power generators. Steam power for large vehicles and woodgas for medium to small vehicles are my preference.

    And my goal isn't convenient, it's national autarky as far as infrastructure and communication is concerned. That's also why I mentioned the horse before. Not only as a means of transport but also of delivering messages.
     
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    I meant as an individual. Bikes, hand drawn carts, etc, simply aren't good enough to completely replace cars. They're great for short-distance travel, but that's all. Right now, I'm using public transport for long-distance travel, but it's not really 'off-the-grid'.

    Woodgas cars are still cars. As far as I know, they require alot of wood and maintenance, aren't cheap, etc. I'm not sure how much better I would be to use one instead of a 'common' car, as an individual.

    (As a society, if we really want to use trees as fuel, we could use it to make synthetic fuel.)
     
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    Modern life simply does not allow the average person to have the land the average person needs to own PER horse. There are strict laws in many states in which you have to own X amount of acres for a horse. Plus, the more densely a populated an area is the more you're going to run into public health issues. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, and good luck having them poop/piss in a designated area to keep things sanitary.

    It takes a little over 6 hours to go coast to coast by air. You eliminate air travel, you condemn people to ride AMTRAK. If you think an irritating passenger on a 3-4 flight tests the absolute limits of your patience, now imagine them piss-stinking drunk on a train for two to three days.

    What is it with you authoritarian types and outmoded means of transportation? Gasoline burns cleaner than wood or coal would ever do in a vehicle. To make "clean coal," You have to have particulate filters and that's really expensive even in situations like factories and power generation. Wind power which is a nice idea -- is slaughtering apex predator birds by the score nearly every month. But the real question is what do you do when there's no wind? Stirling engines? Really? The current modes of power generation are far more efficient, which means you will have to burn MORE fuel to generate the same power.

    As someone who recently championed capitalism and it's method of "natural selection" in eliminating the inefficient, this goes directly against your previous statements.

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    Your solutions would be more expensive, more pollutive, less sanitary, and take longer.
     
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  17. Baya Rae 4900

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    Good for you. Don't ask me any more stupid fucking questions.

    Do you understand what autarky means, you fucking idiot? An efficient economy means fuck all if another nation can simply cut off your supply lines. If you had any brains, you'd also be thinking a lot about redundant systems.

    I want you to use what meagre brainpower you have and imagine what would happen to a modern service based economy that's completely reliant on petrol if... the access to petrol is cut off indefinitely. Now picture what if foreign trade was cut off completely. Imagine what would happen to a service based without one of the many precious metals that goes into making electronics.
     
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    So basically, you admit that you don't know of a SINGLE good alternative to mainstream cars, but you still want to get rid of them? Sounds like an Amish, even if you're using a computer right now.

    Please stop trying to base economic decisions on far-fetched disaster situations, you're losing credibility. Also, you seems to think that "autarky" means living in a backward shithole. (It doesn't. Nazi Germany had no problem synthetising fuel from their own ressources when the West and the East wouldn't trade with them anymore.) But why in hell would anyone prefer to live in a backward shithole in the first place? If your own view of autarky was true, then @Groyper Supreme would be right about how natural selection / simple competition would be enough to prove that it's a shit system, the same way it was enough to get rid of communism.
     
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    @NoelMittUns @Baya Rae 4900 yeah that was retarded
    Germany in WW2: Distil fuel out of coal, capture Norway.
     
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    That's the spirit, son! That sure showed me! :D
     
  22. Baya Rae 4900

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    There are many examples throughout history. WW2 especially. Britain converted practically all their civilian vehicles to woodgas, for instance.

    You're an idiot.
     
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    Still CMT is basically right, petrol based fuel is just too cheap and too good not to use, especially for mobility purposes.

    Autarky is nice but there are very strict limitations as to what is possible with solid fuels. Solid fuels + electricity is another story though.
     
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    Nothing's perfect but the creation and maintenance of redundant systems is an absolute necessity. Not a single nation is doing that. At best they'll stockpiling necessary resources. Best case scenario is a year until any modern nation you can think of becomes a lot less modern and we're back to hastily trying to create those redundant systems but with a lot less resources.
     
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    We've got a few block heat and power plants over here, but we're talking about the downfall of the western world again and I can't quite see that happening. Maybe I'll remember to ask you again in a year.
     
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    Wood gas is alcohol. Alcohol is less energy dense than any petrol derivative. So that means, what?

    Considering the average human's record on personal vehicle maintenance we might see a drastic increase in the amount of formaldehyde in the atmospheric gasses.
    http://biofuel.org.uk/how-do-biofuels-burn.html

    You clearly haven't thought this through.

    The most efficient engine is the diesel engine. Period. Other fuel types can be substituted such as vegetable oil which is what Dr. Diesel used in his prototype, proof ot concept model. And it still works now. And extraordinarily well. Better than diesel, but there a certain conditions which have to be meet in order for it to function. It is however far too inefficient to grow that amount of soybeans, corn, etc., to use primarily as fuel.

    If things got really bad then the diesel-electric engine/motor drive train is the other alternative. Could we scale that down to cars, trucks and buses? Yes. But, as of now the cost of DC motors make it prohibitively expensive. Plus, there would be the extra weight so any cost/weight/power benefits are basically nullified.
     
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    baya's "knowledge" of american history and its population demographics as demonstrated itt is fucking insulting
     
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    Not true, England is experimenting with offshore windpower and so is the US. Ironically, places with consistent amounts of sun say Iran are not looking to solar power but nuclear. But solar power would only work if there was a world electrical grid. Not possible considering the bullshit shenanigans that sort of system is susceptible to, even if the world was united under one authority.

    And they are just not efficient or reliable. Then you also have to look at the impact to the local and national economies. When Spain went solar, they predicted a massive unemployment due to people suddenly being out of work. And once again the conservatives were right.
     
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    No, they're not.

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