And now I wish to discuss a serious matter with you all.

Discussion in 'Religion & Politics' started by Baya Rae 4900, Nov 30, 2011.

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Our time has passed.

  1. I shall do as you say.

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  1. Baya Rae 4900

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    That being expatriation from the United States of America. American authoritarians, totalitarians, militarists, socialists, Jacobins, fascists and other sorts of statists are getting bolder by the day. They're getting powerful while those who point out the trend or even suggest it might take place in the future are demonised beyond hope. This isn't about a single politician. I'm sure that you'll all agree that they system is crooked to the core. Tighter restrictions will be introduced and enforced. Some of you may agree with some of them while condemning others. It matters not. You've all sacrificed some aspect of your liberties one time or another during your lives. We all have. Now it's too late. Your masters took your silence as a blank cheque and are running wild. America is turning into an occupation itself. Introducing checkpoints on roads. Ignoring the legal need for search warrants. Using overt force. Not to mention exporting tyranny all over the world. What the American government has done to foreigners, it has refined and is now going to do to American citizens. It's already beginning. Slowly, so you don't notice it. This is fact. Now's not the time to pretend it's not happening. I implore all of you who can leave to leave. All who can't, invest in livestock (chickens if nothing else) and prepare for the worst.
     
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    I love how this has 0 replies.
     
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    tl;dr
     
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    Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they saw the direction the US government is taking today. This is the kind of thing that we fought against. Yes, they are slowly curbing our liberties so the majority doesn't notice. Within ten years time, perhaps even less, we'll be no different than the USSR was.
     
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    This is what I get for trying to reason with Americans.

    @Khanzer

    I meant the United States, not all of America.
     
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    See my signature for response.
     
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    I'm still holding out, for the time being. Strategically, I live a scant 13 miles from the Mexican border. While not exactly ideal, I can take advantage of their laughably lax border security measures to smuggle a few firearms supplies and other goods, and push as far south and inland as I can.

    Maybe find work, start a new identity if it came to that. If I'm robbed of this option, make a stand with fellow patriots, and hope for the best.
     
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    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2011/12/2011122235415861433.html

    I'd flee to this new union to live a new life as a freedom fighter if it came down to it.
     
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    Objectivism is only a personal philosophy for how to live one's life. It cannot work as a means of running a society.
     
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    I already invested in livestock.
    Place in the middle of nowhere as well.
     
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    Actually, looking back, I made that quite clear in my original post. So why'd you vote at all, Khana? Do you live in the US now?

    You can't see it but I'm silently nodding in approval.

    Smartest things you've ever written. But I doubt you'd do it.

    That certainly gives you a running start.
     
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    No, I live in Nicaragua.
     
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    That's what I thought. But why'd you vote?
     
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    Because the second option is funny...
     
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    Technically, citizenship is just a social contract stating that you sacrifice some of your rights in return for protection of other rights, your property, and protection from the government; no matter how many freedoms you give up, if it's consensual, it's not tyranny
     
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    Eh. I respect others opinions. I was merely stating that less government power is better in the end.
     
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    My statement on objectivism isn't my own, but the opinion of an objectivist friend of mine. I believe a smart government is better in the end. I know that if our government was significantly less wasteful and managed its resources much more wisely, it would be smaller, but it could still be large. Why would we want the government of the United States which is a superpower to be significantly smaller? That is just foolish. A small government with the responsibilities like our government cannot solve problems in a world like ours today.
     
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    True, that.
     
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    Awww, you're so adorable! I just want to give you a big cuddle x4!

    True. The only solution is to secede.

    It's not your duty to solve the world's problems. And if you keep thinking that it is, you'll be getting a lot more 9/11s and a lot more coffins draped in the US flag.
     
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    bah! I'm in the north east. if this happens I move out of country, start with Canada, maybe work my way over to Europe.. I hear a lot of Germans speak English. And if all else fails, I'll go to the white house and shoot at it blindly thinking I'd hit someone important. Totally Worked for the last guy who did it.
     
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    How many presidents have visited Dallas since 1963, do you reckon?
     
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    No we cannot solve all the problems of the world alone, we can only do it together. If America doesn't lead on human rights issues or is active in stopping genocide who will?

    Also the problems I was referring to were our own problems, which we have numerous ones. If the citizens of the United States want to live the standards of living they have come to expect, the only way they can do it is by having a government and private sector that is the most prosperous and successful in the world. Prosperity doesn't come without hard work or addressing problems rationally.
     
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    You know what? I don't give a flying fuck what you think. Or what any American thinks. As long as you keep your military inside America's borders and don't try to interfere in other nations. You can bullshit yourselves all you want. As soon as those planes leave their hanger and those troops leave their barracks, we've got a problem. At which point I think Americans should be on the receiving end of a genocide.

    Preferably one that doesn't harm the environment. Got to keep it eco-friendly, you know?
     
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    Yes I agree (to everything but American genocide) with a few exceptions: 1) some countries like having our troops there. 2) our navy helps large regions of the sea free from pirates. With China emerging as another superpower, they need to pick up the slack with anti-piracy patrols to protect global commerce.
     
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    1) Crooks like having troops inside their nations. In wars we call them profiteers and collaborators. A mass hanging usually deals with those pests.
    2) America would use such a mandate to blockade entire nations. No. The American must become powerless.
     
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    1) So Germany,Turkey, and Australia are crooks? I guess we should hang them all then.

    2) Of course that is a risk, but like any superpower wouldn't do that if they wanted to? The United States' military might is preferable to China's military might and as an Australian you know this.
     
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    1) They're run by crooks.
    2) You're absolutely right. That's why America's navy should be sunk.
     
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    1) Every government is run by crooks, do something about it then.
    2) Then how will we deal with the pirates? Somalia is not the only place that has a piracy problem.