A specific kind of retardation.

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    They say Hollywood stories are dumbed down to accommodate the American public. Well, I think there is something that needs to be addressed which is the result of a dumbed down America. You guys remember when the US national government bailed out all those major corporations, right? It actually happened twice, or three times depending on how you look at it. Anyway, there was a buzz phrase going around about the bail outs being "socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor." That, plus the claims that Canadian medical care is "socialist" has led me to the assumption that (most) Americans think socialism is the subsidisation of something. I would like to state, for the record, that socialism and subsidisation have nothing to do with one another. Subsidisation implies that there is autonomy or independence somewhere in the economy so it doesn't make much sense to call it socialism since socialism is a form of totalitarian government in which everything is owned by the government. Not merely controlled, mind you, but owned outright.

    Now, I'm not here to pick on Americans, I know that there are probably just as many (in terms of percentage) Australians who think the same. My point is that this thinking, these buzz sentences and buzz words, are hurtful to the collective psyche of Humanity. It makes us dumber and less informed as a whole.
     
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    Well yeah OP, its call newspeak. I for one cannot wait till the Kali Yuga ends and the psychic space nazis come and kill the weak.
     
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    You assume correctly. Also, many think that socialism and communism are one in the same. They still hold the definitions they did when they became McCarthy-era scare words (and they are indeed still taught that way - at least in the hicktowns I went to school in) and nobody bothers to learn anything further about what either principle actually is. Further still, you probably couldn't get them to correctly define fascism or Nazism, and I wouldn't be surprised if some thought that all four were the same thing.
     
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    Subsidization is not autonomy. There are varying levels of influence. On the one, you know he who has the money owns the bitch.

    Even on the small scale where it's a little bit of money here and a little bit of elbow grease there, people know who pulls the strings. When somebody else has a hand in your pocket, whether it's to put things in or pull things out, you know goddamn well who runs the show. When you live under somebody's charge, no matter how small, you assume a role of an underling.

    Farms are the state's bitch. Public broadcasting is the state's bitch. Solar power is the government's bitch. GM is the state's bitch. Chrysler is the state's bitch. I'd say Wall Street is the state's bitch, but Wall Street and the state are one and the same.

    The only thing that the state can't figure out how to deal with is a population where the majority own guns and know how to use them. Somebody with a gun is nobody's bitch.
     
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    Influence is leverage. Leverage is power. The level of power varies, but the fact that it is power remains. IN fact the small power, the pushes and prods in key places, the leverage (or influences if you prefer) as it were, are the ones that turn the tide. Influence is the basis of politics.
     
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    Leverage isn't power. Power is control.
     
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    Now we're into semantic games. Influence and leverage are a means of influencing the outcome. That's the definition of power.

    What you seem to think of as power is omnipotence. There's never been somebody who's had power that somebody hasn't been able to influence through a tiny crack in the armor. It's the Goliath theory.
     
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    Power is having control over someone with force or the threat of force. Influence is swaying their opinion, which implies some level of freedom that doesn't exist at all when one has power over someone.
     
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    That type of force also implies cooperation. If you have a gun to a man's head and he doesn't do what you want, that's still hardly a desirable outcome. When you encounter somebody who prefers death or some other consequence to capitulation, overt power becomes somewhat pointless and influence becomes everything.

    It's the basis of the entire good-cop bad-cop routine. The bad-cop never gets anything out of anybody. He's the one with the power and he displays it. He throws chairs. He gets in the face of the person in the chair. The good cop just walks in and plays the most invisible of moves. He influences the suspect and lets the stupid fucker do their job for him.

    Power isn't just about rounding up a guy and lynching him. Sometimes it's about giving a man enough rope and trusting him to hang himself.
     
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    I'll take that as a concession.
     
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    everything op posts falls under the thread's title
     
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    it's more all kinds than specific
     
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    The Member Formerly Known As Baya retardation is the only kind of retardation that fits into the category of 'The Member Formerly Known As Baya retardation'
    so, y'know, fuck you
     
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    you seem boring